cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 

2024 Technology Preview Program:
Master powerful new features and shape the latest BIM-enabled innovations

Installation & update
About program installation and update, hardware, operating systems, setup, etc.

The pen is mightier than the rat...I mean, mouse

Anonymous
Not applicable
Having been asked in the What to do with your left hand... A Very Strange Device Forum about the use of a (graphic pad) pen, here is my humble opinion:

A rat...sorry, mouse... is a device that people who do programing and text editing came up with, so they could now and again click on something on the screen.

This is ok, because most of the time you are typing, and only sometimes your right (or left) hand wanders over to this innocent looking device.

But if you are in the CAD business, you end up holding your pointer 8 hours in a row. Ergo, carpal tunnel syndrome and worse.

But hey, there is a pointing device that has been around for quite some time: the pen.

This device has a long Darwinian history, so it most certainly fits the job. It is easy to hold, it allows your wrist to stay straight, even you back end up thanking you.

Having seen designers use this pen (designers are usually faster than architects on experimenting with new stuff) I gave it a try.

Sure enough, it gets some using to. About one or two sessions. But it is like learning to ride a bike. You fall off a lot, and suddenly you are riding it. Click. Off, on. And the you are flying.

As I said, I have been using it for some 4 years now, and am currently on my 4th model. Once, when a pen crashed, I had to work for 2 weeks with the mouse.

I found out you can still work perfectly well with a mouse after working with a pen. If you learn to drive a car, you don't forget how to drive a bike. But after 3 days of working with that d*** rat, I started to have back, shoulder and neck aches.

The rat doesn't only mess up your wrist. As your whole upper body has to rotate slightly, after 8 h in this position there is bound to be some damage!

I still work with a small rat on my laptop, but never for a long time, and it is not harder to do. But boy, I would never go back to that pesky animal, after learning to use the pen.

As for brands, my advice is, go for Wacom. It is the only one I know off (may be others of course) that doesn't use batteries, so the pen is lighter and it never ever crashes. Never!

Graphire 3 classic http://www.my-graphire.com/main.asp?lang=1 is quite enough for us (it doesn't have a tilt sensitivity, which we don't need). It is a small size tablet (A6), which is great for us. Designers need bigger tablets, as to be able to do hand drawings with arm movements, but ours is a precision work, so A6 works fine even with 2 monitors (currently with 2000 dpi sensitivity, opposed to 800 dpi from most rats).

Another important feature is it must have two buttons. One you program as a right rat button, the other as a left double click (double clicking with your wrist can be difficult).

And for those guys who cant live without a scroll weel (I personally hate it) you can always take you favorite rodent, extract the sphere, and use it in your left hand.

Or better still, buy a Sidewinder Strategic Commander, but thats a whole different forum

Have fun guys
44 REPLIES 44
Anonymous
Not applicable
Stephen wrote:
Feb. issue of PC World shows Wacom's new Intuos 3 tablet. It has 4 programmable buttons, called ExpressKeys. This looks interesting (I would have a hard time giving up my mouse-wheel).

Steve
I have seen this tablet. 4 programmable buttons I find too few, and it is much more expensive than the simple €75 Wacom table.

As for scroll wheel, check this out please
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=2071&pcount=&Product_Id=1...

It is a programmable keyboard for the left hand, and it has a scroll wheel.

It is a device that is intended for gaming, but, like graphic cards, it is also very convenient for CAD.
Stephen Dolbee
Booster
Krippahl,

I have enjoyed reading your thoughts on the mouse/rat vs. the pen. I have considered trying a pen for some time now. Your comments have pushed me even more in that direction.

Thank you,

Steve
AC19(9001), 27" iMac i7, 12 gb ram, ATI Radeon HD 4850 512mb, OS 10.12.6
Anonymous
Not applicable
You are welcome Steve

If you ever take the step, I would appreciate to know how much time it took you to adapt: 1hour, 1 day, (hopefully not) more than that.

As I require from my students that they use the pen, I get a lot of complains that it is too hard to adapt.

From my little survey I estimate the average time at one days work.

Have fun
Dwight
Newcomer
Wacom has sent their Intuos 3 tablet with programmable buttons and I am using it all the time, but with their mouse - sort of like enjoying vegetarian dishes but preferring them with meat.

These buttons are obviously meant for people in reclining chairs who want to langorously skim the web with the little scratchpad scroller and simple buttons....

Whenever the pen topic arises, I am urged to comment that I have found the pen to be an invitation to the carpal tunnel blues because to "draft" with the pen requires a peculiar wrist posture that I find stressful.

If the pen could be switched to operate like a mouse - that is, to respond to relative movements instead of absolute position, this would help considerably.

This was particularly acute when I tested SketchUp with Wacom's 18" Cintiq tablet for the Canadian Architect magazine a few months ago. They were interested in the user experience of actually modeling by navigating on the panel surface. Very tiring. Hard on the aging eyes, too, being so precise.... the process, not the panel which was excellent.

Someday, we'll see a hybrid lap panel with drawing surface and keyboard [or an adequate number of command keys] perhaps with gestural navigating and drawing so that you don't move your arm robotically to actually make anything. The key to productivity regardless of tooltype is using both hands: "driving" with one and "commanding" with the other.

Melody AND rhythm.

Call me the breeze.

Call me the pixel pianist, but pronounce it carefully.
Dwight Atkinson
Dwight
Newcomer
And on a related topic, the pen IS mightier than the Mouserat:

Is anyone here successfully using the Intuos iO pen - the expensive ovoid ballpoint that draws on special dotted paper and digitally records everything you do?

Milk
Cheese
Bacon
etc?
Dwight Atkinson
Stephen Dolbee
Booster
Dwight wrote:
Wacom has sent their Intuos 3 tablet with programmable buttons and I am using it all the time, but with their mouse - sort of like enjoying vegetarian dishes but preferring them with meat.
Dwight,

What advantages do you experience using the tablet with a mouse as opposed to a mouse alone? The programmable buttons? Just curious.

Steve
AC19(9001), 27" iMac i7, 12 gb ram, ATI Radeon HD 4850 512mb, OS 10.12.6
Stephen Dolbee
Booster
I just ordered the Nostromo Speedpad N52. I found it at buy.com for $24.98 and free shipping (if you're not in a hurry). For that price I thought I'd give it a try.

Steve
AC19(9001), 27" iMac i7, 12 gb ram, ATI Radeon HD 4850 512mb, OS 10.12.6
Dwight
Newcomer
I just happen to like the mouse that came with the Intuos tablet. It is so small [me: tiny hands] and light compared to the wireless mouses [!!! - need different plural wordform for entities not from genus "Mus"] I've been using because of no battery....

the intuos mouse has four buttons and a scroll wheel, is symmetric for lefties and just fits me well. Also, it is right there on the tablet where the muosepad should be, so it is an obvious thing to do..... the pen is also right there for drawing.

The iO is from Kensington ---- ooops.

BTW: Latest laser-powered Kensington mouse, capable of bringing down an airliner if not merely bringing down a passle of federales, is a honking big thing. Toot toot. Comes with own bus depot/charging stand.
Dwight Atkinson
Dwight
Newcomer
And the Nostrodamus pad. I'd like to predict the digital future, too. Where is it so cheap?
Dwight Atkinson
Stephen Dolbee
Booster
Dwight wrote:
And the Nostrodamus pad. I'd like to predict the digital future, too. Where is it so cheap?
Buy.com

Steve
AC19(9001), 27" iMac i7, 12 gb ram, ATI Radeon HD 4850 512mb, OS 10.12.6