Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

[Anonymous]

Hello,

I have checked the available documentation and can't seem to find where one may set a window and/or door frame depth to match a wall depth. This command or setting was mentioned in another topic on this forum.

Thanks,

Mark Hendricks

[Tibor Szolnoki]

Jay wrote:
Side Note-

Once I started this experiment, I began having a problem with the display. This has happened only a few other times.

I lose the "rubber-band" view in plan. say when stretching or dragging something. (Don't really know how else to say this.)
and in the 3D window I get (See attached)

Please read the video card compatibility page:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/compatibility.php

You may find more information there.

[Anonymous]

Thank You Tibor for keeping us informed.

I will send, or i guess attach a module file, of the two windows. When I was working with the SE library, it seemed that most of the windows had problems.

Actually do you want me to send or attach a Favorite file (PRF)?

Maybe the bug are fixed with the AC 10 Beta.

What about fixing them in the SE 9 Library? We may just take another shot at it.

[Anonymous]

As far as my vidio Card

ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (M10)

~/archiben Rated it okay

[Seiss Wagner]

TIBOR -

Jay is correct, most of windows in the SE9 library have problems.

Here is today's example: a typical Architects day.

After busting my butt all last week to prepare a window package that my client could read, using the the Calculate Window Legend, I get a call this morning telling me to omit all the arched top french casement windows (W2 Arched Top SE9) and replace them with less expensive arch top single casement windows. This should be easy I thought to myself, by using the new SE9 ability to exchange parameters using the eye dropper and syringe on the window icon, I would just find the correct window type, exchange the parameters and then just change the sizes for the various windows.

However, when I went to W Arched Cas SE9 and checked the parameters under "Wall Type" I found there was no entry for "Shoulder Height". Unlike the top of the W2 Arched Top SE9, the top of the W Arched Cas SE9 cannot produce an arch top, only a circle top.

Looking further, I investigated the W Eyebrows Fix SE9, hoping that I could just fake the fact that it was fixed. But here I find the head of the window is not an arch top, but and elliptical top. An even more expensive window then the french arch tops I was asked omit.

I am going nuts.

I have looked through all the casement windows and I cannot find a single casement arch top window. Maybe it's there and I have missed it. That brings me to the point of organization; a casement window is a casement window, whether it has an arch top, circle top, flat top or no top, it is still a casement window. ALL casement windows should be in the casement window file, all awning windows should be the awing window file, all fixed windows should be in the fixed window file, etc. Don't worry about the shapes, it the frames that distinguish the window types and how they gang together. If you have window configurations with multiple sash types, duplicate the icon and put the configuration in multiple files with the same frame type. Make it easy for the user, don't make the user search through 70 different window icons looking and hoping it might be here or there, or somewhere he hasn't looked. If it is a casement, then it is in the casement folder, and that is it, end of story, no where else to look.

Also, windows should be organized in order of complexity, the simplest frame type first, the more complex at the end. Once again shape makes no difference, a single casement, should be followed by single casements with different tops, then french casements should follow and then french casements with different tops, etc.

I am at a lost to figure out how to do a single casement arch top window.

[Anonymous]

Seiss wrote:
I am at a lost to figure out how to do a single casement arch top window.

Maybe they will ask us to test a New AC9 SE Library release, but until then, my advise is to cut your losses and go back to the Standard Library.
Too this point I honestly do not even want to try and help with the "buggy" SE Lib. Sorry. Thank you though for your help too me and your continued efforts.

Hopefully the AC 10 Library is nowhere near as flawed as the SE Lib.

[Seiss Wagner]

JAY -

I don't blame you for throwing up your arms, it's really torture to work all day and get nothing for your effort. But if you won't do it who will? I don't hear others on this forum, except perhaps Matthew, taking an interest in the SE9 library. If you don't tell Graphisoft and others where problems exist, how do you ever expect to get the issues resolved; when it is standard to AC10 and you have no choice?

After my earlier post I went back to work and opened the standard 9 library, where I was also unable to find a single casement arch top window, which is probably why it does not exist in the SE9 library. No one ever thought of it then, no one is thinking of it now. That is why Graphisoft needs to phone the Anderson rep in Bay Port, Minnesota, and get a catalog.

Left with no alternative, I had no choice, but to open my Cadimage DoorWindow Library. I was avoiding this move because after upgrading the Cadimage library in December to 3.5r15 it had been crashing AC every time I entered the window height in it's dialog box, however, Cadimage assured me that if I entered the height in the AC "Parameters" dialog everything would be okay.

I was able to format a single casement arch top window with a 6 lite grill in about an hour, that fairly closely matched the other casement windows I had formated with the SE9 library.

However, all is not hunky-dory.

Whereas in the SE9 library I was unable to do a drywall return, the Cadimage DoorWindow library actually has a dialog that will accomplish this called "Wall Skins", how about that Graphisoft. In the SE9 library I was able to format a wood interior sill with and apron trim, but in the Cadimage library I could only format the wood sill with no apron trim..... bummer.

The difference between the two libraries is that Graphisoft supplies a window object, about 70 of them, from which you modify the parameters. In the Cadimage library there are very few window AC parameters, instead you build the window object through the Cadimage interface and then store the object as an office window for future use, much like the stair object tool in ArchiCAD.

The display characteristics of the SE9 library are better then the Cadimage library, but I think, overall, the Cadimage library is easier to use. It's more intuitive. But I sure like the way SE9 library windows look.

[Stephen Dolbee]

I couldn't do without Door/Window Builder by Cadimage. I wish GS would incorporate something like it into its' library.

Steve

[Anonymous]

Seiss wrote:
JAY -

I don't blame you for throwing up your arms, it's really torture to work all day and get nothing for your effort. But if you won't do it who will? I don't hear others on this forum, except perhaps Matthew, taking an interest in the SE9 library. If you don't tell Graphisoft and others where problems exist, how do you ever expect to get the issues resolved; when it is standard to AC10 and you have no choice?

Really I look forward to helping others in the community and GS, but I am at a lose to help with a library that is not even the Currently Fixed Library. In other words if GS would release an Updated SE 9 Library with fixes in conjunction with AC 10 (like ability to use the 2D detail; scale sensitivity parameter and others) I would help both GS and others but the SE 9 Library as it is now is a flop and a dead horse. Why waste any more energy.

Just for kicks with AC 9 standard Lib I created a Arch top (W Eyebrows fix) window. I know it is not a CASement and therefore show the operation direction in 2D or 3D but this is close. And it of course may not be exactly what you want, but with the Standard AC 9 Window Library I could at least create the window without any errors. Unheard of when using the SE Library.

GS Update the SE 9 Library OR please recommend that we stop using the current "unfixed" Library PLA file....

It's much easier to Help others if we have a currently working tool.

[Seiss Wagner]

JAY -

I agree with you, that is why I reluctantly returned to the Cadimage DoorWindow library. Howerver, I wish others would help shoulder the burden of testing so that Graphisoft has the neccessary imput to correct it's mistakes and improve it's products performance.

If you think the windows are an issue, let me tell you about the doors.......

[Anonymous]

Door and Window builder is so close to solving almost all the issues that have been discussed in this thread. Unfortunately the interface is complex and not completely intuitive. I would very much like graphisoft to adopt a strategy similar to what Door and Window builder uses.

Some of the component strategies that have been alluded to are already implemented in Door and window builder such that trims or frames and a whole series of other preferences can be saved and applied to any window without changing other parameters using the "presets". The presets out of the box are useless to me but I have slowly learned how to save and use these features. I have talked to Cadimage about means of exchanging these presets, but have not received and good method of doing so. These are saved as text files and I suppose it might be possible to do this with a little cut and pasting within the text files. My concept is some means for multiple users of door and window builder to take advantage of the presets that other users have developed.

In general I am not in favor of third party add-ons - support and continued updates always comes into question. Its hard to put a lot of time into understanding and working with a product only to find it will no longer be supported.