Missing objects

[Anonymous]

Ok, I have several files that for some reason load up without any missing objects. yet when I look at the model there are several black dots representing missign objects. The file in question is an 11 file converted to 12. Everything was working fine in 11 but problems in 12.

Keep in mind that if it was only one or two objects I would simply replace them and move on. Unfortunately, we are talking about a lot of objects such as chairs, furniture, etc. Again the library manager reports no missing objects.

Anyone have any clues as to what is happening?

Thanks in advance.

[Djordje]

jorgec wrote:
Laura,

From what I've been told this issue has to do with the sub-type changes in the AC12 GDL code relating to the internal "GUID". Apparently, any older Library Part that was renamed or created with "Save As" is treated as a completely different Object from the original. This will cause issues with legacy projects.

I'm hoping they fix this soon but I'm not holding my breath

I have reported this during the beta testing and twice more since the full version is out, and have the confirmation that it is being corrected. Very nasty problem, that also affects the new objects - for example, if you open a staircase and edit it, then save, it will be treated as a new object. I think it is partially sorted in 2325 Int, not sure about US.

[Laura Yanoviak]

Matthew wrote:
First possibility: The parts were opened and saved in 12. I have seen some cases where the newer parts are not reported as missing despite being unreadable by the older version. The fix in this case is to recover the previous version parts from a back up or rebuild them by copy/pasting scripts from 12 to 11.

I'm the only one in the office with AC12, so this was not the case.

Matthew wrote:
Second possibility: They are not reading for some other reason. Try opening and saving the parts in the current session. This should get them working.

I tried to open the parts, but was presented with a dialog prompting me to browse to the desired file. Opening the Label Tool Settings dialog had similar results (see below). I tried loading the original AC10 objects with no luck -- we ended up re-placing the missing objects.

[David Maudlin]

Laura wrote:
I tried to open the parts, but was presented with a dialog prompting me to browse to the desired file. Opening the Label Tool Settings dialog had similar results (see below). I tried loading the original AC10 objects with no luck -- we ended up re-placing the missing objects.

Laura:

A shot in the dark: since you mention labels, is it possible that some of the missing parts are not in a library, but built into the application (labels, markers, etc). Since the file was started in an earlier version, then the current version would not be able to "find" these parts?

HTH

David

[Anonymous]

Laura, can you extract your library parts and analyze the problematic elements? Try to open them as objects, for example. Or view properties in Explorer. What version is reported at Info&Preview Tab?

[Ralph Wessel]

Laura wrote:
I tried to open the parts, but was presented with a dialog prompting me to browse to the desired file. Opening the Label Tool Settings dialog had similar results (see below). I tried loading the original AC10 objects with no luck -- we ended up re-placing the missing objects.

Is the following topic related to this problem?
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=24265&highlight=
In particular: http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=128865&highlight=#128865

[Laura Yanoviak]

David wrote:
A shot in the dark: since you mention labels, is it possible that some of the missing parts are not in a library, but built into the application (labels, markers, etc). Since the file was started in an earlier version, then the current version would not be able to "find" these parts

I suppose this could have happened if a user wasn't following the office standard (all of our standards use customized Markers and Labels).

Ralph wrote:
Is the following topic related to this problem?
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=24265&highlight=
In particular: http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=128865&highlight=#128865

I suspect this has something to do with it; however, it is odd that we didn't have any problems until recently (the project is under construction, and the file has been in AC11 for over a year).