Start strong with archicad Collaboration - questions.

[Barry Kelly]

Referring to this post ... https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Graphisoft-Insights/Start-strong-with-Archicad-Collaborate/ba-p/...

@Emoke Csikos ,

Is this subsrcription to Archicad Collaboration for new customers only?

Can you clarify if this means a new user does not need to purchase Archicad at all?

i.e. they can use Archicad only while they pay for the subscription - basically renting Archicad (& BIMCloud).

This subscription seems confusing for someone like me that has already purchased Archicad and is paying for support/upgrades.

Is BIMCloud SaaS included only for those paying for this suscription?

If that is the case, what is the deal for those (like me) that have purchased Archicad (many licenses) and now pay an annual Select Service Agreement (others have a Forward agreement?), but as far as I know, this does not include BIMCloud Saas.

Do we still need to purchase BIMCloud Saas as an additional cost?

Please don't get mew wrong here, I am not complaining about missing out.

Personally I don't use BIMCloud as I have no need for it, certainly no need if I have to pay extra for it.

And the costs I am paying for my SSA is not as much as the subscription costs mentioned in that post, so I can understand I would need to pay extra for BIMCloud, but I have also already purchased Archicad at a substantial cost - so it all kind of evens out.

There has been some talk recently about moving to a subscription only system and that there will be no more perpetual licenses for Archicad - I have no idea if this is true or not as I am sure most of the posters about this don't know either.

I just thought that we could do with some clarification here about Archicad licensing.

So what is the actual deal here?

Can we still purchase Archicad outright and be assured that we can use this with no problems in the future, with the option for SSA or Froward and BIMCloud subscriptions?

Or is it only a case that all new Archicad licenses are subscription only (now including BIMCloud), and that as soon as you stop paying the subscription, the user is no longer able to use Archicad?

And if it is only a subscription service now, are those of us that have 'perpetual' licenses for Archicad, still going to be able to use Archicad in the future with the option for SSA/Forward agreements for support and upgrades.

If you could give some clarification on licensing/subscription, I am sure that will be appreciated by many here.

There seem to be a lot of rumours about licensing floating around, and post like this about subscriptions don't help to clarify anything - just adds to the confusion I think.

Or should we just deal with our local distributors? (If a user has one or not is another matter judging from some other posts).

Thanks (and sorry),

Barry.

[Lingwisyer]

You can sort of still use your old Autodesk perpetual licenses, it is just that you either do not get a new computer, or you use the registry to manually export your licence and import it back in on the new machine / instal which is a major pain. We have lost a few licences due to computers dying...

[Martin Jules]

@Lingwisyer Anyway, it's much easier with ArchiCAD. 

[RCA]

If Graphisot ends lifetime licenses and the forward/SAA , I will leave Archicad and migrate to another software.

[ricki-fritz]

This press release is a sign of things to come:
https://graphisoft.com/us/contact-us/press-relations#/pressreleases/graphisoft-announces-shift-to-fu...

Agree with previous comments, the flexibility of the perpetual licensing gives (particularly smaller companies) the flexibility and ability to stay afloat in times of stress as they can still use the software and work on/complete projects - which you can't do if your subscription expires and there's little to no revenue.

The price point is also of great concern...

[jolopuki]

And today still no plans for that? Its great that you have a permanent licence. Still for a solo or small bussiness its too expensive.. I just started my architecture studio. For comparison my car cost 2k and Archicad licence is 6k. Its crazy!.. 😞