laszlonagy wrote:I'm sorry to disagree with you on the construction documentation part Lazlo:whatever wrote:I pesonally think the big benefits of BIM do not come from modeling special shapes. I always saw most of the benefit in the construction documentation and collaboration with engineers phases, with benefit I the areas you mention too, of course.
I Don't really agree here Laszlo .. yes it is a minor portion of buildings, but actually that is where people are expecting the real huge benefits of BIM and BIM collaboration . the other thing is ... ok lets say we only need it 10% ( or even 2%) of the time ... so I agree it is not the most focused part of the development .. but dropping tools that we already had ? dropping Maxon form and the link with Sketchup ?
By the way, the Google Earth connection does import SketchUp models. So there continues to be a link to SketchUp.
Construction doncumentations document a "modeled building " whatever shape it has. regardless it was modeled in ArchiCAD (Ac is doing a good job
And as for sketchup: yes we can import objects from Sketchup but they are not "documentable" : a lot of triangulations and above all SKP files become dumb GDL objects once imported in ArchiCAD , And are no more intelligent as it was possible with the old "discontinued Sketchup plugin" (this doesn"t mean it was perfect
I do however agree on the collaboration part
Braza wrote:In my opinon this thread contain a lot of fat Autodesk trolls.Bricklyne wrote:Ok its official... Bricklyne you are a troll. A well versed one... but still a troll.
So out of all I typed in that response, all you got out of it, was what you perceived to be personal attack against you and your son?
Seriously?
There is no shame on this... I myself am a troll in redemption.
So... Lets start with the first step. Repeat: "My name is Bricklyne and I'm a troll".
Now seriously: I guess we all got your message. There is no need to massacre our minds with your destructive point of view.
Bricklyne wrote:but this part about meeting european standards with stairmaker is a lie. I am from Croatia and stairmaker meets none of my needs. It is rubbish.
A developer actually did respond in that thread (imagine that, a GS developer responding to users in a thread) :
Laci wrote:
Following the discussion I must admit you are right Stairmaker needs improvements. At its current state it serves more German, European
Some of your quotes are really useful for us, but would be better if you could exactly highlight what you are missing. We have a good idea but there can never be enough examples. If you could enclose drawings, pictures of stairs that you are unable to do by stairmaker would be ideal!
Thanks a lot!
Matthew wrote:HI!
I never saw a case where the conversion to ArchiCAD elements produced anything useful. And as far as I've seen no other program is importing SketchUp as anything but plain geometry with materials. Perhaps I have missed something. If so, I would be delighted to know.
SketchUp is a non-parametric, non-BIM, surface modeler. This is changing with the addition of named components, parameter-like features and Ruby script add-ons, but from what I've seen this has a ways to go before being a serious BIM solution. Since it does not produce solid models they cannot participate in SEOs.
I do find it quite useful for finding and creating one-off parts for inclusion into ArchiCAD, Revit and Navis. Aside from that and its utility as a sketch modeler I don't see much use for it in BIM practice right now.
While waiting for "Whatever" answer, here is what i can tell, many modellers (BIM or not) are importing and exporting to skp format . As you use revit too
there is an option to import skp files as a mass and then reaffect walls, slabs...to each sketchup surface ( it's not perfect however, the curved surfaces are not well translated in Revit). In archicad it was an automated process as you can see hereand hereMoi3d which is a nurbs modeler import and export to skp format . 3DS import skp format ( ok... these two are a sort of classical modelers); and i would like to see what could vectorworks do as well...
the only viable and clean option now to import skp file is to import them as a 3ds files
...However Skp is just an example of :
1- how Graphisoft deals with plugins...we don't how long would they will "survive" and they could disapear with no annoucement.
2- while expecting to see this intelligent translation extanded to other formats with some refinements (including c4d exchange plugin_ex maxonform plugin) every thing stopped suddenly.
While i admire the Graphisoft work i have to say that the way GS dealt with skp plugin as an example was not really something good to remember
