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Cities and BIM (Virtual Bldg)

Rakela Raul
Participant
Most of the Cities have consultants: architects, engineers, etc...and all consultants must submit their work to the City following guidelines like the AIA Cad standards and the like:
Do you know any City that already incorporated BIM guidelines??

tons of thx in advance
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__archiben
Booster
Djordje wrote:
I am asking.
they are in testing:
http://www.bauwesen.fh-muenchen.de/iai/ImplementationOverview.htm

(although that site does look a little out of date . . .)

ben
b e n _ f r o s t
b f [a t ] p l a n b a r c h i t e c t u r e [d o t] n z
archicad | sketchup | morpholio | phpp
Anonymous
Not applicable
Hey folks, some thoughts from Bentley for your consideration: I’m not trying to convert anyone here with this post, and trust that you all love Archicad (it’s good stuff) but just want to make sure you get a fuller story on this topic…

I'm not sure of the details you seem to be experiencing, but am surprised at them. Bentley's BIM solutions for Architecture, Structural and MEP Engineering all support a host of import and export types, including exceptional DWG support, and IFC 2.0 IFC2x2 and IFC2x3. We've done many tests (including with Archicad) in coordination with IFC consumers such as the US GSA, and with other 3rd party solutions such as Solibri Model Checker and have consistent high fidelity in our IFC import and export. Our CAD file format support for import/export (including DWG) is very strenuously tested both internally by our QA folks, and continuously in real world use by many thousands of users. We are very confident that there is no better support in any application for DWG R-14 though 2006 available anywhere (including from Autodesk). In fact MicroStation generated DWG files are even identified as a ‘Trusted DWG’ when opened in AutoCAD. This isn’t really surprising since (other than Autodesk) Bentley is the largest developer in the world of applications running on top of AutoCAD and using the DWG file format.

If it helps in your workflow, you may be interested to know that aside from IFC, DGN and DWG we also support DXF, STEP, IGES, STL, SketchUP, Google Earth, and PDF (with 3d and animations).

I would suggest you contact the support folks at Graphisoft, who I gather are quite helpful, and see if they can resolve this for you. Clearly MicroStation makes proper DGN files, and DWG files so I suspect the problem is in the Archicad import functions or the procedures you’re using. (I know that sounds like passing the buck…)

Lastly, and I’m not trying to sneak a sales pitch into this site, but if you find you are interfacing with DGN regularly, you may want a copy of our BIM solutions to help you with that and to gain you access to our technical support team. We are offering special pricing to Archicad users through December, see www.bentley.com/bim and click on ‘special offer’. Also, whoever is making the DGN files is a Bentley user and could contact our support team.

I hope this all helps, we certainly want BIM users to easily and effectively communicate regardless of your chosen authoring tool. With Bentley BIM formats being mandated by so many building owner and government organizations it is in our interest to facilitate these information exchanges. (I don’t expect to monitor this thread, so if you have further thoughts or questions please contact us at bim@bentley.com). Thanks for reading.
Anonymous
Not applicable
Last month there was a BIM conference here in Portugal, and we had Jeffrey Wix here who presented his work on this subject.
He has been involved in the Corenet from Singapure, in the Scotland implementation, and is now working on the USA implementation of e-submission.
Everything is based on IFC, afaI understood.
Just to mention one aspect, USA has 44.000 jurisdictions, so coding all that legislation is a very unusual work
This is his presentation, which I recomend to anyone interested in BIM:
http://www.opet-online.org/AEC3-BIMBC.pdf
Andy Thomson
Advisor
Huw, I happily stand corrected - however - could you please tell me at what version of MS IFC export was introduced?

Now - to brass tacks - I have been through hell with these files. Neither David Tauer (GS) or the folks at Bentley could remedy the situation, re. importing sensible model data generated by the City of Toronto (3D City file) - we all experienced the same bad behaviour, and degenerated polygons. I have never had similar issues with any other 3D DWG import, which usually imports without any issues whatsoever, although they are much smaller files.

I would kindly ask that you please take a look at the file in question - please send me a PM and I will post the file on our fileserver for you to pick up (80MB). Please try opening the file in anything other than ADT or Microstation.

If you concur, that nothing can be done with this DGN, or its related DWG (also exported from MS) - I would like to get to the bottom of the issue, and learn why this data is so difficult to work with. If the City staff needs a primer in export methods, I would urge you to contact them. We do many projects at an urban/master planning scale, and it was unacceptable for us to be crippled in this way by lack of access to an adequate 3D base file.

We regularly need this data, and for the past 2 years, it has been unavailable to us for the reasons cited.

I am very glad you have joined the fray here.
Andy Thomson, M.Arch, OAA, MRAIC
Director
Thomson Architecture, Inc.
Instructor/Lecturer, Toronto Metropolitan University Faculty of Engineering & Architectural Science
AC26/iMacPro/MPB Silicon M2Pro
Anonymous
Not applicable
I'm not sure off hand, but we've had IFC for a few years.
We introduced 2x3 recently, in our V8 XM edition.

http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Markets/Building/Open+Standards+and+Interoperability.htm may have more info for you.
TomWaltz
Participant
I'm just happy that we finally have some Microstation representation
Tom Waltz
Andy Thomson
Advisor
Well, the kind folks at Bentley now have our City's DGN file. Version 7 of MS saved out a 30MB file, when opened and saved in MS 8, this file went down to 6MB. When exported as DWG, this file balloons to over 130MB - the DWG is what we were having all of the problems with, as there was no other way to import to AC10 - or 9 for that matter - UNTIL IFC came along!!

Apparently MS8 exports IFC somehow, we didn't know how to do this last year - does it need some kind of add-on that we didn't have at the time?

I am hoping Bentley might convert the file to IFC and we can try again.....waiting to hear back...

One amusing observation, I tried to get a new copy from the planners at the City - who now inform me they charge cash money for this data. Crazy beurocrats. I tried to explain we were using this as research to get a workflow established, but of course they had no idea what I was talking about. Whatevah.
Andy Thomson, M.Arch, OAA, MRAIC
Director
Thomson Architecture, Inc.
Instructor/Lecturer, Toronto Metropolitan University Faculty of Engineering & Architectural Science
AC26/iMacPro/MPB Silicon M2Pro
Rakela Raul
Participant
I am hoping Bentley might convert the file to IFC and we can try again.....waiting to hear back...
Andy,
i will ask the bentley people here in our building if they can do this,
just give me sometime
MACBKPro /32GiG / 240SSD
AC V6 to V18 - RVT V11 to V16
Andy Thomson
Advisor
Just PM'd you with the fileserver pickup link....Thanks!
Andy Thomson, M.Arch, OAA, MRAIC
Director
Thomson Architecture, Inc.
Instructor/Lecturer, Toronto Metropolitan University Faculty of Engineering & Architectural Science
AC26/iMacPro/MPB Silicon M2Pro
Rakela Raul
Participant
got it
MACBKPro /32GiG / 240SSD
AC V6 to V18 - RVT V11 to V16

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