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Complex Profile Question

Anonymous
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I've made a 2x10 framing member with the CP tool. I've broken the rectangle into 4 triangular pieces so I can get the "X" in the middle of the rectangle. Problem is, when I cut a section and if it happens to be in the middle of the framing member, I get an unwanted line in the middle of the member. This line is there, I believe, because it's the point where the 4 triangles come together. Is there a way to do this to not show the line? I found a 2x framing member in the stock libraries, but it does the same thing when cut through, also I don't like it because you can't set the lineweight of the "X" different from the outer edges. What have others done here?

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Anonymous
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Just a couple of points to make -

If you don't want to use multiple wood fills to stop them merging in section, simply separate the timbers by a tiny dimension (half a millimeter or the equivalent). You wont really notice this in plan or in section.

Also to Master Script -
Master wrote:
I followed your discussion and decide to create an object for it. You can download it here.
You've put the object in the 'Labels' section of the depository. Would the 'Wood-Plastic' section be a better place?
Karl Ottenstein
Moderator
Peter wrote:
If you don't want to use multiple wood fills to stop them merging in section, simply separate the timbers by a tiny dimension (half a millimeter or the equivalent). You wont really notice this in plan or in section
This increases the polygon count of the profiled element though, something to be considered. Fills which touch do not.

Cheers,
Karl
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JaredBanks
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I always dislike the 'leave a little space' solutions. I find they tend to open up other errors. Your (4) x 1.5" is not 6" but 6 1/16" or 6 1/8". I live in the world of inch fractions. This is just looking for trouble!
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Brett Brown
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Karl wrote:
Peter wrote:

If you don't want to use multiple wood fills to stop them merging in section, simply separate the timbers by a tiny dimension (half a millimeter or the equivalent). You wont really notice this in plan or in section


This increases the polygon count of the profiled element though, something to be considered. Fills which touch do not.

Cheers,
Karl


I think Peter is talking about the placed custom profile, not the fills in the profile you make. The half millimeter gap is how I get around it with Objective. Still another action to do when you shouldn't have to.
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Anonymous
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Brett wrote:
I think Peter is talking about the placed custom profile, not the fills in the profile you make. The half millimeter gap is how I get around it with Objective. Still another action to do when you shouldn't have to.
Yes, I was Brett. Just to clarify - when using any pieces of geometry that touch which have the same fill (not necessarily a complex profile) then separating them with a little gap will stop the two objects from merging in section. That's the only way to do it currently without faffing around with different identical fills, as far as I know.
Anonymous
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Theres no shame in keeping complex profiles simple. Just draw a rectangle as the complex profile and create a stamp to show the cross if you must.

Theres also no shame in drawing the odd line or to. Some purists may disagree, but while they are off sipping coffee some person is actually trying to produce documentation that can be of use.

Any tool regardless of it it falls under BIM or 2d drafting is there to make your life a little bit easier..... not totally automated.

If your learning your trade then take a drawing out on a site and ask what the builder thinks of it?? Theyll soon tell you.

Interact with other people and remember perfection will backfire on you.
Anonymous
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There's nothing wrong with perfection
Anonymous
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OK, it is now here, the fills won't merge and there is a option to get straight cuts right-away.
Nuge
Advocate
I use Objective to model "everything" including joists etc and the section has the cross lines automatically.
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Anonymous
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OK, another update.

The joist is now Floor Plan Cut Plane sensitive. That is automatically dashed when the joist is above the FPCP. Even on other stories is will work correctly. (set Floor Plan and Section to show on other stories).

The information like Area, Mass, Elastic Modus, Plastic Modus and Radius of Gyration is generated automatically.

Now tell me that Objective does this too?

Stephen: You can get the cuts you want if you set the cutting type to 'along horizontal axis' (only with the corner on the axis line) and the graining in 3D has been solved.