Door and WIndow unseen in the floorplan

[Anonymous]

I'm just using Archicad 10 Int (win XP Sp1)and my door and window are sometimes unseen in the floorplan window, but they are visible in the 3d window.Strangely the arrow tool recognizes the spot where I place them. Can anybody help?Thanks

[Anonymous]

Check in the floor plan display in the window setting dialog box. Play with the adjustment that allows projected or symbolic types of display. AC 10 now allows elements visibility to be controlled by a cut plane. At time you might need to adjust the cut plane as well. Its a bit strange when you draw a wall and after you finish drawing it it disappears and can only be seen or selected in the 3D window....

[David Maudlin]

Andri:

Also check your Model View Options > Door Options and Window Options. These settings are saved as part of your View Settings along with the Layer Combination, Scale, etc.

HTH

David

[Anonymous]

I found my solution, i change the wall setting in the wall window to "symbolic cut", so thank you all for helping me put.

[__archiben]

Andri wrote:
I found my solution, i change the wall setting in the wall window to "symbolic cut", so thank you all for helping me put.

it would suggest that your 'floor plan cut plane' was at the wrong height . . . traditionally and typically a plan 'view' is a cut through the building at about 1000>1200mm (depending on which graphic convention you were taught) above floor level. this, of course, was fudged by drafties wanting to show graphically those elements that wouldn't be cut by this plane . . .

my view is that you should follow this kind of principle virtually with AC10. so, rather than simply setting everything to 'symbolic' and calling it done, set your 'floor plan cut plane' (which should be found in the 'view' menu) to a level that graphically represents your intended plan view and then switch those elements which don't appear correctly to 'symbolic'. doors and windows can each individually be set to 'symbolic' as well.

i think it's going to take a little bit of ironing out - this is a new approach to plan view creation by graphisoft - but in the long run we should see the benefits of being able to generate multiple plan views at different levels through the same storey: think mezzanine floors, clearestory windows, high level stairwells . . .

~/archiben

[James Murray]

~/archiben wrote:
my view is that you should follow this kind of principle virtually with AC10. so, rather than simply setting everything to 'symbolic' and calling it done, set your 'floor plan cut plane' (which should be found in the 'view' menu) to a level that graphically represents your intended plan view and then switch those elements which don't appear correctly to 'symbolic'. doors and windows can each individually be set to 'symbolic' as well.

In order to have projected windows, you have to have an automatic wall. Automatic walls are way more trouble than they're worth IMO, when we're speaking of simple vertical walls. The multi-story aspect is not worked out re doors and windows. (Openings showing on remote stories, etc.)

The other problem is, there's no 'Symbolic if cut' option. If you wish to automate the display of openings with respect to the cut plane, you have to accept the Projected image of the window, which isn't abstract enough, and won't match the Symbolic openings elsewhere in the drawing.

i think it's going to take a little bit of ironing out - this is a new approach to plan view creation by graphisoft - but in the long run we should see the benefits of being able to generate multiple plan views at different levels through the same storey: think mezzanine floors, clearestory windows, high level stairwells

Yes, but they are much closer to the beginning than the end. As for now, my walls are as 9-style as possible: One story, symbolic, symbolic openings. Save the special bits for special applications, profiled or slanted walls. The walls can't even reflect being trimmed by a roof, forget about SEOs. Sorry, this whole 'Automatic' paradigm isn't ready for prime time. (Although the roofs are pretty awesome.)

[Anonymous]

James wrote:
Yes, but they are much closer to the beginning than the end. As for now, my walls are as 9-style as possible: One story, symbolic, symbolic openings. Save the special bits for special applications, profiled or slanted walls. The walls can't even reflect being trimmed by a roof, forget about SEOs. Sorry, this whole 'Automatic' paradigm isn't ready for prime time. (Although the roofs are pretty awesome.)

I'm with James on this one. Even if a major new feature were to work perfectly, the implications for workflow are usually too complex to adopt wholesale. But the reality is that major features are not (and cannot be) fully developed when they are first introduced and have to evolve in the wild (through actual use by all of us).

Solid Element Operations were barely functional when they were introduced in AC8.0, were only useful in exceptional cases when the old standards couldn't do the job, and even then didn't work all the time. In 8.1 they became more reliable and began to be adopted more into standard (rather than exceptional) practices. In 9 and 10 they have now become standard (most places I know) for cutting walls (etc.) to roofs, replacing the old Trim to Roof command which has now become the exceptional practice. We are still waiting to see the results of them in plan, at which time I think we can consider them fully matured.

The "Save Special > Hotlinks" and "Quickviews" were handy for a few things (and only by some users) when they first came out . Since they evolved into the Navigator and Publisher they have become fundamental to standard practice all over.

The floor plan cutplane, multi-story walls (etc.), and automatic display of floor plan elements are part of a good start toward what will become a much improved standard practice. In the meantime I agree that they are better applied to the exceptional cases where the old ways can't do the job.

These new features are far better developed than were the other two examples when they first came out and bode well for an exciting future. All in all I think GS has done an outstanding job with ArchiCAD 10. It's shaping up as the best and most significant upgrade to the program yet. Let's hope (and help) this to be true of all future releases.

[James Murray]

ML wrote:
evolved

And remember when the detail tool came out you couldn't place a detail inside a detail window, and now we have the floor plan cut plane!



Seriously, the FPCP is a big step. The roof interaction is worth the upgrade.

And it's a good point about new features. Everyone has the previous version working, right? and you shouldn't expect that they've cleared all the previous workarounds in one go. Just because they've broken plain walls by trying to fix them (a bit harsh, but true), doesn't mean you have to break your own personal walls. Get your work done and solve problems as they come up.

[Anonymous]

James wrote:
And remember when the detail tool came out you couldn't place a detail inside a detail window, and now we have the floor plan cut plane!

And remember when they first introduced the label tool and how it was hardly usable, and now... oh, well... never mind