Recessed doors and windows- How do you model 'em?

[Anonymous]

I am wondering what solution people have for creating a recessed door or window in a 2x stud cavity wall in situations where the door or window has a reveal as in the attached picture. I have my own solution which is to model the two stud walls independently, have an empty larger door/window in the outer wall, and then the door itself on the inner wall, then walls and slabs fill in the gaps between the walls, but I am hoping someone has a better way, since my method requires 7 or 8 objects for one door (min. 4 walls, 1 or 2 slabs, an empty door/wdw, and the actual door/wdw). Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

[Gerald Hoffman]

Hi Scott,

It's a little hard to see the detail around the door so I don't know if this is too simple. I would create a hole in the thicker wall and put the thinner wall in the whole lining up the rear face. Put the door in the thinner wall and Bob's your uncle.

[Anonymous]

That does appear to be an easier way of doing this, but still having some difficulties. The wall in a empty door opening does not clean up in elevation, I see the line of the empty door on the side where the walls are flush. (my method still leaves me w/ 1 unwanted line in the section view, but that is easier to deal with than on an elevation view) Also the floor plan/section does not look right with my thickened composite wall. Is there a empty door/window object that allows for cavity closure parameters?

To add another wrinkle into this thread, is anyone dealing with this and also using cadimage's wall accessories. I have begun using that tool for my finished surfaces, but this condition is proving troublesome, (with or without finishes)

[__archiben]

with the window tool you can apply 'niches' to your walls. could you make the reveal with a niche that stretches right down to floor level and ensure your door reveal settings are adjusted to place the jambs in the correct place? the niche is stretchable in all directions so you can size it any which way you want to.

it would mean that you could use one composite wall instead of building two . . . although there are pros and cons of that too . . .

~/archiben

[__archiben]

Scott wrote:
To add another wrinkle into this thread, is anyone dealing with this and also using cadimage's wall accessories. I have begun using that tool for my finished surfaces, but this condition is proving troublesome, (with or without finishes)

i'm using cadimage's wall builder too and have changed my composite wall settings to take this into account. i'm simply modelling the walls (and slabs and roofs) as structural depth/thickness only and applying finishes with the various accessory tools - cadimage's wall builder included ("build it like they build it" to quote mr murray).

i'm finding that a far more flexible system - and extracting clean, usable elevations and sections proves far easier!

~/archiben

[Anonymous]

using the niche tool is a great idea, I've tried it out but there are two problems with it. (unless there are some settings to change that I am missing.)
1) still no cavity closure setting, I want to turn in one or two skins
2.) back of niche fills in the doorway (see attachment)

as an aside, I have begun experimenting with the wall accessory, I agree, modelling the structure only, then applying the finish is FAR superior to the old methods!