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[Anonymous]

I saw some documents to compare between Revit and AC.
I study Revit from own website.
It is just copy from AC!!

I used to work with AC (and very satisfied, and like many friends from AC-forum).
As AC-user I hope, AC must be better than Revit for Architects.

I have not used Revit, but just seen from Website.
The web-site from Revit is so nice, that I must believe, Revit should be better than AC.

I like to know your opinions and also opinions from GS.

Thanks

[Rakela Raul]

I happen to know that is is quite intuitive to the people that wrote it.

[Anonymous]

Rob wrote:
4)site terrains automatically generate contour lines when spot elevations are entered.
Architerra is an extra add-on has been on the market for ages - it will do what you are after and much more

I would definately dissagree here.
Terrain modelling is very limited.
Architerra may be a good tool to create a terrain geometry quickly BUT the problem is with EDITING the terrain and maintaing and terrain remodeling. For example you make a plateau. Then just try to change that? Delete it? or edit its shape? or its level. A nightmare that will end to a dissaster for a big project.

I think Fabrizio said somewhere the V3 of Architerra would solve that problem. Until then Architerra is good if you have a certain model in mind and do not intent to alter its shape during the project.

Native terrain modeling in archicad is just a joke!!
I dont know if there is an architects package out there with such limited terrain modelling tools (native i mean)

[Rakela Raul]

I dont know if there is an architects package out there with such limited terrain modelling tools (native i mean)

i would guess there is none...probably seen as a civil engineering work; not architectural

[Anonymous]

Rob,
I can't seem to get perpendicular intersecting section lines in archicad to showup in their relative views. are you using a plugin or custom section marker? oztools?

Scott,
in the revit 9 promo brochure, i don't quite undestand how i can import a nurbs dwg/sat file into revit from rhino and convert them to roofs. My understanding that the 2 formats are mesh/solid based respectively.

as far as sketch and concept phases, it is IMHO that revit is the better tool for it. unlike archicad, one can actually model massing blocks and sculpt a form, cut floor levels into it and convert surfaces/facets to roofs + curtain walls. and on the topic of curtain walls, archicad curtain wall object doesn't even come close to revit's cwall.

so far there archicad has only been put through the whole documentation process on 2 projects and seems to work well with a 5-7 person team. Teamwork signing in and out and possesion of layers / stories are relatively good with occasional hiccups. Rumors has it that archicad 11 will introduce a major recoding and big changes and improvements to teamwork (the software feature that is)

Our firm runs about 20 autocad lics and 11 archicad ones. Revit was bundled with our Autodesk building package.we haven't really tested revit as a documentation tool in the office as yet. So far there's only 1 other large practice in melbourne who is all revit. I'm not sure how the worksets and sharing work in it. I believe the biggest shakeup is that revit does not use a layering system, rather objects and elements are able to be grouped and visibility can be toggled.

i agree that grphisoft needs to overhaul it's terrain tool. subdividing a topomesh in the centre or cutting roads and curbs into a site model is an absolute nightmare. mesh to roof feature is nice though.

revit handles terrain pretty intuitively. contours are automatically generated when spot elevs are entered, different parts of the mesh can be zoned and coloured differently without having to butcher the topo mesh up.

AND a very simple feature which i really appreciated in revit. A level "site plan" where ojects on level '0' and Roof are displayed in the same sheet/view without having to fudge a fill over the level 0 or doing any hotlinking of external landscape modules.

i do however like archicad's new composite wall function and windows that fit nicely into them. to modify and change or create a revit window and door seems really difficult and time consuming. trying to get a window to ramp on the same angle as a sloping wall in revit is a nightmare. archicad 10 seems to do that well.

getting objects/ overhead walls to appear in dotted on floor plans seem to be impossible (maybe i haven't found the button) but archicad 10 's breeze with that.

lastly ironically, I prefer archicad's 3ds format export out as compared to revit dwg out to 3dsMax for rendering as cameras and lights that are set up in archicad are exported with it.

think i should end this one here, until next time...the pros and cons just goes on...i'm happy to share with anyone who has had experience with both and keen to find out their opinions.

[Anonymous]

Matthew wrote:
I don't know about item 3, but all the others can be done in ArchiCAD; just not as easily as in Revit. The question I have is how does Revit compare for producing a complete set of drawings? I had the impression that this used to be a shortcoming. Is this true? Has it improved?

Heh -- around here that's mostly what it's used for, and many people are under the impression that Revit is a working drawings tool and not really meant for schematic design. Which is odd, but it's certainly helped SketchUp's case.

My two biggest gripes about Revit are
- performance problems on large projects (yes, it can be offset by linking files, but files don't link as well in Revit as they do in AC)
- lack of freeform modeling tools

[Anonymous]

6randon wrote:
Scott,
in the revit 9 promo brochure, i don't quite undestand how i can import a nurbs dwg/sat file into revit from rhino and convert them to roofs. My understanding that the 2 formats are mesh/solid based respectively.

trying to get a window to ramp on the same angle as a sloping wall in revit is a nightmare. archicad 10 seems to do that well.

getting objects/ overhead walls to appear in dotted on floor plans seem to be impossible (maybe i haven't found the button) but archicad 10 's breeze with that.

1 In Revit, goto Modeling > Create and choose the category. Then import the geometry. The imported geometry will take on the behaviour of the category you chose

2 Use a skylight-type object - it will slope with the wall. Windows don't because the programmers were told that the windows would thus have to be engineered (because the glass is sloped)! Doh! So we have to create a separate set of windows for sloped walls... argh

3 In plans, turn on the underlay and choose the level you want and the view direction (plan/RCP) to see what you need. Use the Linework tool or add detail lines using the pick tool to get those lines in where you want them.

[Rob]

6randon,

I've got little confused with your question but perhaps you are referring to the grid tool...
I am using UK aka INT version and I've downloaded the grid tool from GS goodies website (the link should be in the 'help' dropdown menu as on the attached image).

[Anonymous]

Matthew wrote:
The question I have is how does Revit compare for producing a complete set of drawings? I had the impression that this used to be a shortcoming. Is this true? Has it improved?

Actually Revit is very good at producing a complete set of drawings. Actually, that's one of the parts I like best about Revit....

[Anonymous]

Matthew wrote:
I happen to know that is is quite intuitive to the people that wrote it. But no-one else that I am aware of.

It's not intuitive out of the box, but if you work with it for 2-3 days it makes sense and feels good. No, you won't know everything by then, but it will be a comfortable product to use. There are ArchiCAD features that you need to take a few minutes to learn, Revit is no different.

What I can tell you is that I actually started a full set of home plans 2 weeks after I opened my full version of Revit. By then I could have produced drawings for most anything you would throw at me (as long as it doesn't look like a Frank Gehry building).

I could have done it faster, but I took the time to go through a few tutorial projects before I used it in production. So while I wouldn't call it intuitive (at least not by my standards), I would say its very easy to learn and feels natural to use once you understand it.

[Anonymous]

Dilbert wrote:

Matthew wrote:
The question I have is how does Revit compare for producing a complete set of drawings? I had the impression that this used to be a shortcoming. Is this true? Has it improved?

Actually Revit is very good at producing a complete set of drawings. Actually, that's one of the parts I like best about Revit....

That's good to hear. It was a few years back I heard that Revit users were falling back on AutoCAD for completion of their CDs. I don't know how true this was nor whether they were just lacking the necessary Revit skills (or personnel).