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[Anonymous]

I saw some documents to compare between Revit and AC.
I study Revit from own website.
It is just copy from AC!!

I used to work with AC (and very satisfied, and like many friends from AC-forum).
As AC-user I hope, AC must be better than Revit for Architects.

I have not used Revit, but just seen from Website.
The web-site from Revit is so nice, that I must believe, Revit should be better than AC.

I like to know your opinions and also opinions from GS.

Thanks

[Chadwick]

samsung wrote:
AC is simply better.

Thats a pretty bold statement.

[Anonymous]

Ok, I dont know why you use two programms.

In my opinion AC has more reasonable development.
Let me say:
I could do good job with AC7.
With AC 9 much better.
With AC 10 maybe better.

If AC is orginal, why must I use copy-version with different functions?
Because it works with Auto CAD together?

The method of working style is for me very important.
I like the method of working style with AC.
Every detailed function is not crucial point.

[Chadwick]

samsung wrote:
If AC is orginal, why must I use copy-version with different functions?
Because it works with Auto CAD together?

No, because it works really well with Revit Structure and Revit Systems. That to me is a huge selling point. And I wouldn't go so far as to call Revit a copy of ArchiCAD - they are both building off of each other's developments now. From what I can tell from the ArchiCAD 10 .pdfs available there are a lot of features added that Revit already had. And Revit 9 has added things that ArchiCAD has had for a while. Eventually they will both become VERY similar and what I think will matter will be interoperability - with other software, with other firms and clients. Which brings me to my first point - Revit Structure and Systems programs make Revit Building even more valuable. As a side note, R&D seems to be moving very quickly for Revit.

I just cant bring myself to say that one is better than the other. Yes, there are parts that are better in one vs. the other but overall both have got ground to make up.

[Thomas Holm]

Scott,
with all due respect, I wonder what you're doing here. This is not a forum for marketing other CAD systems. I find it OK to point to differences and better features in other applications than Archicad, in order to enhance and influence its development, but I think right out marketing from a non Archicad user is crossing the line. Autodesk has an enormous enough resource advantage anyway, without Graphisoft contributing it's bandwidth. Maybe you should read the first line of http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/html/etiquette.htm

Scott wrote:

Miki wrote:
What I heard is that most ADT users, use is as an enhanced ACAD. no real 3D.

and Autodesk recognizes this, too. ADT is now being marketed as "AutoCAD for Architects" or sometimes referred to as A4A. This marketing strategy takes ADT further from the "BIM" market, and back towards the "enhanced 2D" route. The tools will still allow 3D, and even base AutoCAD is more 3D now in r2007, but the idea will be that the tools "enhance 2D productivity". Revit will be marketed as Autodesk's ONLY BIM solution.

[Anonymous]

I am little bit happy, there is Revit.
The both proramms must be good (in some case better and in some case worse)
Monopole is always not so good.
GS will try to take a step to win Revit, and Revit also.
Anyway my darling is AC. AC can be better through Revit.
Than it is also ok.
To change CAAD....no thanks it is too much work.
One is enough.

[Anonymous]

I am very interrested, what Scott will explain next year.

To change software is already too expensive.... big mistake!!

I wonder, many people (new user) consider between Revit and AC.
Anyway to choose good CAD is very importan for architecs.
Students must use and test every possible CAD-softwares, and decide just one before too late.

Forum is also very important in the future.
Renderingpart for AC is already stabil through the kind instruction by Dwight.

[Anonymous]

Scott wrote:

samsung wrote:
Revit reminds me of AC 6.5.

Funny, because reading the new feature list of AC 10 reminds me of Revit 1.0

integrated plotting
interactive schedules
parametric drawing titles
smart drawing management
intelligent guidelines
in place numeric input

Without those functions I had no problem to do job.
There are many functions AC can not do.
But it is not serious, because the basic working style can not be changed.

[Scott Davis]

Thomas wrote:
Scott,
with all due respect, I wonder what you're doing here. This is not a forum for marketing other CAD systems. I find it OK to point to differences and better features in other applications than Archicad, in order to enhance and influence its development, but I think right out marketing from a non Archicad user is crossing the line. Autodesk has an enormous enough resource advantage anyway, without Graphisoft contributing it's bandwidth. Maybe you should read the first line of http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/html/etiquette.htm

Scott wrote:

Miki wrote:
What I heard is that most ADT users, use is as an enhanced ACAD. no real 3D.

and Autodesk recognizes this, too. ADT is now being marketed as "AutoCAD for Architects" or sometimes referred to as A4A. This marketing strategy takes ADT further from the "BIM" market, and back towards the "enhanced 2D" route. The tools will still allow 3D, and even base AutoCAD is more 3D now in r2007, but the idea will be that the tools "enhance 2D productivity". Revit will be marketed as Autodesk's ONLY BIM solution.

Honestly, it wasn't meant to be a marketing type post...it was to explain what others were trying to say about ADT. I guess in the end, what I was trying to explain is that it will be AC and Revit as competing products, both striving to be better than the other, which in turn makes them both better. Pure economics. In the explanation of ADT, neither AC or Revit need to worry much about it from a BIM standpoint, because it's no longer being pushed in that direction.

If any of this is out of line, I will gladly edit/delete my posts.

[Anonymous]

@Scott

I think it is ok.
Many times mentioned about Revit because of similarity between two programms.
And the website of Revit is quite impressive.
Now it is clear, what Revit is compared to AC.

In my opinion no user from AC will switch to Revit.
If it happens I am verry sorry.

[Thomas Holm]

Scott wrote:
... it wasn't meant to be a marketing type post...it was to explain what others were trying to say about ADT. ...

Scott, you're not an Archicad user, are you?