SEO

[Anonymous]

Is there any way to tell if an Archicad element
is participating in an SEO either as a target or operator ?
Perhaps in a way similar to how one can tell if an object
or wall has been cut by a roof by looking in the settings
of the selected element.
Thank you,
Peter Devlin

[Dwight]

trim to near it with the marquee, 3D the scene, delete it and see what changes around it - it can't be an operator if it isn't in an operator layer, however.

[Anonymous]

Hello Dwight,
As you state, deleting an element that you suspect is an operator
and seeing what changes is one way.
The second part of your comment puzzles me.
You say:
"it can't be an operator if it isn't in an operator layer, however."
What is an operator layer ?
I can have an operator on any layer I want hidden or not
and its operator function is not affected.
I have a layer called "Hidden Operators" but this is just for convenience.

The thrust of my question was, is there a way to select an element
and view it's properties and find out if it is participating in an SEO.
When working on a project that has been worked on by others
one needs to know if there are SEOs in the project and what
they are. I was hoping there was a way of getting this information.

Thanks,
Peter Devlin

[Dwight]

Real answer:

You'd only cut something if your cutter was invisible, and enabled.
You make the elements in a layer invisible by using the wireframe symbol in the layer setting - this enables their cutting action.

If only they would cut grease as well as new "Vim".

I called that wireframe layer an operator layer. Many users also name this layer SEO or something.

If your team was organized along these lines, then a simple selection of everything in the single operator layer would tell you all of your operators, and, hence, your potential victims, because once your operators are selected the SEO box allows you to add to the selection all their targets.

It is confusing to have many SEO layers - I stick to one.

Sorry I was flip before - you made me figure it out.

[Anonymous]

I don't believe there is a way of establishing whether an object is part of a SEO. We have a protocol where all operators in SEO's (and objects used for crude 'made from the model' GDL objects) are on a specific, wireframe, 'SEO & GDL' layer, on the basis that, generally speaking, we use SEO's for subtraction. Since these operators are not required to be visible in the model the layer is hidden when SEOs are complete.

[Anonymous]

Dwight,
You say:
"You'd only cut something if your cutter was invisible, and enabled.
You make the elements in a layer invisible by using the wireframe symbol in the layer setting - this enables their cutting action. "

Many times, I have situations where I want the operator to be visible.
For instance, When I cut the top of a wall with a roof and I want
to see the roof as well as the wall and I don't want the roof to show
in wireframe but solid. I can do this because it is not true that
as you state "by using the wireframe symbol in the layer setting - this enables their cutting action. "

[The cutting action does not derive from being on a wireframe type layer.]
Is the above statement wrong ?
Your statements make me think that maybe I am wrong.
What am I missing ?
Thank you,
Peter Devlin

[Dwight]

I am wrong. again.
I was taught that way and never questioned it.

[Anonymous]

Mike,
I believe you are right there is no direct way to know if
there are SEOs in a project and if so what operations and where.

This whole business started for me when I did an SEO in a project,
saved the project, closed it, and quit.
When I opened the project again, AC had forgotten the SEO, so
I made the SEO again, saved, and closed.
When I opened the project again AC had again forgotten the SEO.
I am testing it again to see if it happens again.

It would be nice to have a way to find out if,where, and what
SEO operations exist in a project.
One for the wish list.
Thank you,
Peter Devlin

[Anonymous]

Peter

That is weird. I have never encountered the situation where SEO's have been forgotten!! Perhaps you have encountered a BUG. If so, you are best advised to contact your reseller so that they can raise this issue with GS on your behalf.

[Stephen Dolbee]

I have found that SEO's fail when the roof (operator) has degenerated for some reason. This has happened to me when a skylight is placed too close to the ridge (and the edge of the skylight hole is horizontal-which seems to be the default). Could the problem be caused by something like that?

Steve