Laura wrote:
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TW2ISthe new feature -- other "new features" are pretty mediocre -- if you do not use TW, you might want to wait for AC14.
.......I remember getting a lot of flak earlier on before the release, for pointing out...... or rather, for speculating, that TW2 would be THE feature of AC13 in the same way that Curtain Wall was for AC12.
You know you're in for kind of a sorry update when the
........ wrote:.......yeah, um, because there are NO other new features......of significant note anyway. I mean seriously, we can now edit the Curtain Wall in plan? Is that really a new feature, or more like a leftover completion from what should have been complete in the first place, in AC12, when they introduced the new CW tool, for the first time? But it's keeping with GS tradition anyway of half-baked new features per release to complete them in the next version (ala Complex Profiles between AC10 to AC11).
“I think this [64-bit] + TW2 would make AC13 a fantastic upgrade, regardless of any other new features.”
Call me a purist, but I always used to assume that new features in a new version tend to refer to features that not only never existed in the program before, but also don't really exist in competitor products as such. Now, oriented views are nice and all, until you realize that AutoCAD, yes,
Ditto 64-Bit compatibility, which is nice and all, but when your main rival (Revit) has already had it for their last 2 versions and still handles geometry worse than you do, then I wouldn't really draw attention to the fact that it is a "new" feature. Coming in kinda late, no? In this respect, the multi-core support in version 12 was not only a great upgrade, but also a true 'new' feature in the sense that ArchiCAD was the only one of its kind in the BIM field that had (and still has) multi-core support.
ArchiCAD 13 is a great upgrade, as I mentioned (or alluded to) in that previous thread......if you're a firm that leans heavily on Teamwork, and uses a lot of Curtain Walls (read: large firms). Granted there will be those who will doubtless try to convince all the improvements like TW2 can make the lives of all of us, - not just the large firms - easier, and they are always appreciated. But it's much in the same vein the way they tried to convince us the the new CW tool in AC12, was not just an improvement that would benefit only Curtain Wall users, but one whose 'systems' technology could be used to address other more general, more common and widespread AC shortcomings like the railing systems migraine in the Stair tool (which, incidentally, I couldn't help but notice, has still "suffered" no new improvements in AC13, as far as I can tell - but which will also likely, no doubt benefit tangentially in some peripheral way or another from TW2 improvements.
) Otherwise, for small users (or small fish as someone here so eloquently and astutely put it), nothing to see here. Move on to speculating about what will not be updated or what will be left out once again in AC14 as GS chases that almighty corporate 'big fish' bling ($$$). It boggles to mind as to what was so big that they were working on that caused the 3 or 4 month delay if 'these' are indeed the new features. I feel for you small subscription users - I really do.
64-bit implementation available on Windows only ...but will also be available on Mac in a later version?!? of ArchiCAD...
I was hoping for this AC13 improvement for all users, anyhow, I understand GS's efforts...
It's quite disappointing GS does not even dare to mention 'next version'
I was hoping for this AC13 improvement for all users, anyhow, I understand GS's efforts...
It's quite disappointing GS does not even dare to mention 'next version'
Karl wrote:I hardly find any feature i can use. Maybe insulations!!
Of course, 13 contains many bug-fixes as well, and while some here have commented that they do not feel that they should pay for bug fixes, that is life in the software world. 13 is the version that will continue to be developed and debugged.
But hey this is stealing. If you get the money from subscribers, you cannot do something like that. Bring a new version, that has nothing new for many of us to use but use our money to finance it!!
Ok. I want my money back. Period. If you plan only to serve a certain part of your audience, do it, but with dignity. This is STEALING and i mean every word of it.
Publish the new TW2 as an add on, and let the big guns buy it. Even make them pay to access your servers. I dont care. But what is that?
64bits?? That is for sharks too. Nothing for us. Nothing. But we paid too!!
You give me a version which has nothing new???? And i have paid one year in advance? And you do it ONE DAY AFTER the new subscription plan starts? So i have to apply for the new year (ac14 and pay) and see AFTER that the BIG FIASCO.
What does GS has to say to all us small fish? Nothing? No excuse? Nothing to say? Just thank you stupid, you should have known better?
Dennis wrote:I dont see a single feature that an average user can use (and not average in AC knowledge). These release is pure b@&@&it if you explude TW (which single users will never use)
IMO, the features for AC13 is far more beneficial to ALL of us than the new features that the Revit users got for their latest release.
As for 64bit computing, its very funny
. What projects do you do. Skyscapers? If yes.. then you are big fish, and this is nice for you. If not... then you dont need it.There features for residential customers are NON EXISTENT. those 3-4 super minor features here are to make you laugh.
For all my fellow mac users out there, shall we band together and get our discount over our PC counterparts?
ever notice that quite often a new feature comes out in archicad that is not supported on the mac platform.
quite funny really where the 64 bit gambit is for PC only, where only a very small portion of PC users have 64 bit systems whereas all snowleopard mac users are fully 64 bit.
I wonder if the sketchup thing will work with 13 on the mac.
I suspect not. This was one of the larger marketing gambits that we saw with AC12.
Still there is no VBE for mac yet. Apparently I can get a Beta version to test, but have to agree to then buy it when it is released.
It would be interesting to see the numbers of mac users verses PC users, however again as has been mentioned earlier in this thread, the big fish are pandered to more so that the small fish, big fish tend to be on PC whereas I suspect a lot of the small fish like to be a bid more design conscious and work on Mac.
Come on GS, support the little guy, we are what made you in the first place.
ever notice that quite often a new feature comes out in archicad that is not supported on the mac platform.
quite funny really where the 64 bit gambit is for PC only, where only a very small portion of PC users have 64 bit systems whereas all snowleopard mac users are fully 64 bit.
I wonder if the sketchup thing will work with 13 on the mac.
I suspect not. This was one of the larger marketing gambits that we saw with AC12.
Still there is no VBE for mac yet. Apparently I can get a Beta version to test, but have to agree to then buy it when it is released.
It would be interesting to see the numbers of mac users verses PC users, however again as has been mentioned earlier in this thread, the big fish are pandered to more so that the small fish, big fish tend to be on PC whereas I suspect a lot of the small fish like to be a bid more design conscious and work on Mac.
Come on GS, support the little guy, we are what made you in the first place.
Karl wrote:I share your frustration over the the lack of support for Mac for VBE, SketchUp add-on, Google Connectivity, etc.
ever notice that quite often a new feature comes out in archicad that is not supported on the mac platform.
quite funny really where the 64 bit gambit is for PC only, where only a very small portion of PC users have 64 bit systems whereas all snowleopard mac users are fully 64 bit.
The 64 bit thing is not ignored, though, and apparently did not really have to do with any preference for Windows over Mac customers but rather the effort involved in the conversion. There is a Wiki article coming out that will comment on this, although a comment here from someone from GS might be reassuring, too.
Cheers,
Karl
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