Geoff wrote:Uggh -- I was just making an observation, not discounting the bug --
Control joints are not an excuse and having to use an SEO to work around a bug in a very typical wall condition that occurs on every job is just not right.
Laura wrote:it's a bug. it's a badly designed, antiquated junction control that hasn't been touched for too long and is in desperate need of an overhaul.Geoff wrote:Uggh -- I was just making an observation, not discounting the bug --
Control joints are not an excuse and having to use an SEO to work around a bug in a very typical wall condition that occurs on every job is just not right.
that being said, the control joint thing does throw up a few things regarding working methodology . . .
a wise man once said, "build it like they build it except when you can't". for a while now i've tended to model structural/core only walls first and then clad them with an accessory or additional element that does the cladding job. (thus two layers that bring two levels of detail to walls: the 'wall' itself and the wall's finish). just like they build it. the flexibility that you get from working that way - both in terms of design flexibility and documentation - far outweighs the minimal extra effort involved. in 3D/elevation it doesn't matter that archicad is showing a graphical line where one is not wanted because it is
of course, when it comes to Gib/Gyp/Plasterboard (delete as appropriate), there is no reason not to keep it associated with the wall core . . . in which case, laura, your 'control joint' suggestion is not applicable anyway . . .
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Laura wrote:For such a quiet and serious person, you made a great joke!Geoff wrote:Uggh -- I was just making an observation, not discounting the bug --
Control joints are not an excuse and having to use an SEO to work around a bug in a very typical wall condition that occurs on every job is just not right.
Laura wrote:Local brand of plasterboard. Gib board has become the default generic term, although there are other (inferior
What's "Gib"???
) brands too.
Laura wrote:you were right to bring up the control joint thing, laura - i wasn't having a go
...except that it appears to be an exterior wall, in which case you would need control joints in a stucco (cement plaster) finish...(enough)
but ignoring your "enough" plea briefly, even that exterior stucco typically has a substrate that is distinct from the structural wall/wall core these days, no? my methodology would involve applying that substrate and stucco as a separate finish to the wall element itself. What's "Gib"???gib-board, british gypsum, plasterboard - same same, just trade and localised names for gypsum wall linings . . . a sheet of which (internally) can span - and most likely will - three-way junctions like that without control joints . . .
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british gypsum, plasterboard - same same, just trade and localised names for gypsum wall linings . . . a sheet of which (internally) can span - and most likely will - three-way junctions like that without control joints . . .
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Huh. Here (in the US), it's typically called "Sheet Rock" (another trade name) by contractors -- also drywall and gypsum wall board. The official (NCS) non-proprietary term is "Gypsum Board", which also will most likely span three-way junctions without control joints
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Laura wrote:did you take your funny pills today?!
... which also will most likely span three-way junctions without control joints
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