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2020-03-26 01:28 AM
qbic-ft wrote:
LaszloNagy wrote:
qbic-ft,
I would also be interested in hearing about why these companies are not happy with Revit.
I consider myself very savvy using 3d applications and combining them to get the job done from schematic design to construction documents. (Autocad, Revit, Sketchup, 3ds max, Rhino,etc; and now I'm learning ArchiCAD)
The problem is most of the companies because they are on the rush finishing projects the staff never work efficiently in Revit. Instead, to build the elements in 3D, they draw even cabinets elevations in 2D inside Revit.
In a studio of 40-50 people using Revit, maybe a couple can produce custom families, besides the BIM manager. Bim managers are very protective; they don't want to teach how to do families because that task is the way they secure their position inside the firm.
Creating stairs and railings in Revit could take the whole day; Let's say you want to build a "beam supported stair" with a plate to support the tread; you have to build it using a custom railing and building all the components as different families, after several hours of trial and error and a degree in science maybe you get 75% of what you wanted.
Revit is that stupid, Why would you need to use a railing to make your stair?
Revit is not for architects and designers; it's almost impossible to focus on design because half of your brain is thinking about what trick I have to use to make it work.
If you want to taper the side of a slab or wall you have to build them as a "family in place" or use massing and then apply a wall to the face.
In general, the big complaint is; It is not friendly, and it's very complicated to build everyday situations in architecture without using trick or extra steps, so they have to go back to the bad Autocad habits to draw in 2D.
I took an online course(LinkedIn Learning) for three days. After seeing how easy, it is ArchiCAD; I feel very confident in starting right away a new project in Archicad without any significant problem; on the other hand, most of the firms using Revit have internal classes every 1-2 weeks for things that you can do in Archicad in few clicks.
2020-03-26 12:58 PM
rob2218 wrote:Ok. This is what happens then.
If folks were to be allowed to self-regulate their designs and their "designs" falls on top of THEM, nobody to blame but themselves...and if their designs KILLS someone in there house, building, teepee, igloo whatever, then an "eye for an eye"...period.![]()
@jl_lt
Here in Portugal, each trade has its own resposability/liability and if the project is too complex, then an Architect or Engineer coordinate the trades involved. Architects to Architecture/Landscape/Accessibility; Engineers to Structure/MEP/Energy Evaluation, etc... It is like we say here: "Every monkey on its own branch"
2020-03-26 01:53 PM
2020-03-26 01:59 PM
qbic-ft wrote:
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I consider myself very savvy using 3d applications and combining them to get the job done from schematic design to construction documents. (Autocad, Revit, Sketchup, 3ds max, Rhino,etc; and now I'm learning ArchiCAD)
The problem is most of the companies because they are on the rush finishing projects the staff never work efficiently in Revit. Instead, to build the elements in 3D, they draw even cabinets elevations in 2D inside Revit.
In a studio of 40-50 people using Revit, maybe a couple can produce custom families, besides the BIM manager. Bim managers are very protective; they don't want to teach how to do families because that task is the way they secure their position inside the firm.
Creating stairs and railings in Revit could take the whole day; Let's say you want to build a "beam supported stair" with a plate to support the tread; you have to build it using a custom railing and building all the components as different families, after several hours of trial and error and a degree in science maybe you get 75% of what you wanted.
Revit is that stupid, Why would you need to use a railing to make your stair?
Revit is not for architects and designers; it's almost impossible to focus on design because half of your brain is thinking about what trick I have to use to make it work.
If you want to taper the side of a slab or wall you have to build them as a "family in place" or use massing and then apply a wall to the face.
In general, the big complaint is; It is not friendly, and it's very complicated to build everyday situations in architecture without using trick or extra steps, so they have to go back to the bad Autocad habits to draw in 2D.
I took an online course(LinkedIn Learning) for three days. After seeing how easy, it is ArchiCAD; I feel very confident in starting right away a new project in Archicad without any significant problem; on the other hand, most of the firms using Revit have internal classes every 1-2 weeks for things that you can do in Archicad in few clicks.
2020-03-26 02:35 PM
Braza wrote:Direct communication is not the way. Using the standards (IFC) correctly is, and in this case I think CYPE is the culprit here.
@Jp1138
I agree that ifc between AC and CYPE is far from perfect. That is why GS should have a more straight communication with CYPE to iron those wrinkles. Not to continue on developing a tool that will never compete with dedicated software.
About AC being more complete with native MEP Modeler, I understand your point, but don't forget that having a MEP Modeler inside AC will surely reduce GS limited resources from critical functionality on every release.
2020-03-26 04:15 PM
2020-03-26 08:19 PM
jl_lt wrote:Forgive me to say, but IMO this idea, preached by many "Social Architects", that these slums are a "Rich Social Community", is the reason why corrupt Governments perpetuate in power supported by drug dealers and milícia. Brazil is the golden standard for this.
It's very harsch (sometimes in the extreme) but not everything is that bad. Also they are fascinating if you study them as evolutionary design and as a web of communal self help.
Jp1138 wrote:Agreed. A reliable IFC protocol is essential.
Direct communication is not the way. Using the standards (IFC) correctly is, and in this case I think CYPE is the culprit here.
IMO Acquiring CYPE would be a very good move for Nemetschek.
Here I have the impression that CYPE has a much larger user base than all the other Structural SW's of its portfolio (SDS/2, RISA and others).
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