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ac10 walls

Anonymous
Not applicable
walls in ac10:
home storey of wall starts at level 0.00 and ends at +2.50
wall base is at -0.05 and wall top is at +5.00.
when I select "show on / link to storey" - "own storey only" instead of the default "automatic" value the wall dissapears from the plan view. 3D is ok.

what should I do? I think I tried all the combinations with "floor plan display" and "projection" but the result is the same.



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ac10 int | win xp sp2
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__archiben
Booster
Link wrote:
But for the Roof tool.... It has a Custom setting instead of Automatic. Takes care of all that stuff. Love that consistency...
right. have you tried it with the accessories whilst the roof is set to auto . . ?

try find those accessories elements again and get them to display . . .

whatd'ya catch?

~/archiben
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Link
Graphisoft Partner
Graphisoft Partner
Ben said:
right. have you tried it with the accessories whilst the roof is set to auto . . ?

try find those accessories elements again and get them to display . . .
No problem here mate - not at first glance, you may have to be more specific.
whatd'ya catch?
Tuna...


Cheers,
Link.
Jefferson
Participant
Tuna...
And I've seen him with a can opener!

But where were we.........Automatic vs. own story. Link, I think you're on the money with your advice. I've for ever been "working-around" trying to get walls to display throughout the range of there actual modeled space and now that the functionality is there, I feel it's up to me to "adjust + adapt" to the new work method. OK, handle it. This is wiothout mentioning the bad behavior of walls only displayed on the creation story, that just won't get it, for my purposes anyway.

Where it just goes over the top is loading on the floor plan cut range. I have found it overly complex for all the time use, until.........YOU, or someone of equal acumen comes up with a cheat sheet for general drafting usage. HINT!, HINT!............ There will undoubtedly instances upon instances when I want to get "tricky/fancy" with what I can do/display, from one story to another, [The manual actually has an excellent, [an oxymoron?], example of a curtain wall displayed by changing settings for different elements.] But in my simple residential design world I think for the most part, I'm going to be shying away from the floor cut plane settings beyond 0, at least until I need it.

A compromise between old school and new school, for now, for me, it's going to be about progression, building one function on another rather than all at once. Taking what I need and setting aside the uneeded. We'll know more later.....
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Link wrote:
FWIW it's my opinion that the most logical default wall setting for AC10 is to set all walls to Automatic.

Cheers,
Link.
Thank for the Recommendation, although I am not "sold" on AC10 yet. (No OLE)

So for the original question, should "zucoc" create the a Multi-story wall on what he/she calls the Home story and make that wall automatic?
Stephen Dolbee
Booster
I have had so many problems with walls set to automatic that I am going to keep them all at "own story only", unless absolutely necessary. If "automatic" walls are changed to "own story only" they should stay on the story on which they were created! It's driving me crazy!

Steve
AC19(9001), 27" iMac i7, 12 gb ram, ATI Radeon HD 4850 512mb, OS 10.12.6
Link
Graphisoft Partner
Graphisoft Partner
Jay said:
So for the original question, should "zucoc" create the a Multi-story wall on what he/she calls the Home story and make that wall automatic?
Hard to know without more information. It depends on which story/stories they want it to show on - it sounds like it may be a non-general case. The beauty of Automatic is that it will show on all stories it enters (depending on the Floor Plan Display settings). Now, if they didn't have a story below it would have to show on the current story.

Steve said:
If "automatic" walls are changed to "own story only" they should stay on the story on which they were created!
That's what we have to get our head around - current story and own story are two different things. And as I said creating new walls and editing existing walls are two different things. I was simply recommending creating new walls set to Automatic for general use.

To each their own...

Cheers,
Link.
__archiben
Booster
Link wrote:
Steve said:
If "automatic" walls are changed to "own story only" they should stay on the story on which they were created!
That's what we have to get our head around - current story and own story are two different things. And as I said creating new walls and editing existing walls are two different things.
what's needed is a graphically editable 'reference line vertical offset' from wall base. or 'wall base vertical offset' from reference line . . .

~/archiben
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Anonymous
Not applicable
~/archiben wrote:
what's needed is a graphically editable 'reference line vertical offset' from wall base. or 'wall base vertical offset' from reference line . . .

~/archiben
Sound good at first glance, but does'nt this just "muddy up the waters" further. In other words, is the current AC 10 way already broken? I must confess am am waiting for a slowdown period in work- load to actually "dive" in to AC10. Still waiting for an OLE Add-on to AC10.
Link
Graphisoft Partner
Graphisoft Partner
Looks like another reason to default to Automatic:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=11302&highlight=

Cheers,
Link.
Anonymous
Not applicable
I am trying to work out the best way to use Multi-storey walls for a current project, advice would be appreciated.

Performing Arts Centre:-
Existing building:
- basement / storage under existing stage (-1520mm)
- ground floor Auditorium (elevation 0mm) with tiered seating and raised stage (+1220mm)
- first floor (elevation 2900mm top of seating) with Control Room and access to seating
New building adjacent:
- Basement / storage under stage as for existing
- Flat floor hall with raised stage
- Backstage and practice rooms at stage level
- Plant at approx first floor level of existing
- Classrooms, toilet facilities, foyer at Ground Floor level

New building perimeter walls also extend as sloping parapets (currently using hidden roof planes as SEO's)

Existing Auditorium is also being made taller.

I currently have storeys set up at Basement (-1520), Ground floor (0) and First Floor (+2900) levels. Stage is shown on Ground floor plan with walls base at +1220 level.

It seems if I change walls to Automatic the doors and windows are still showing on the First Floor plan (which they should not) even if I change the floor plan cut plane level. (Is the FPCP a fixed figure for the whole project or can it be different for different floors / views?)

I have spent a while trying to get my head around this, and seem to be getting more and more confused.

BTW, this has been converted from AC9, so walls are currently set to "own storey only" and "symbollic cut"

Thanks