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ac10 walls

Anonymous
Not applicable
walls in ac10:
home storey of wall starts at level 0.00 and ends at +2.50
wall base is at -0.05 and wall top is at +5.00.
when I select "show on / link to storey" - "own storey only" instead of the default "automatic" value the wall dissapears from the plan view. 3D is ok.

what should I do? I think I tried all the combinations with "floor plan display" and "projection" but the result is the same.



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ac10 int | win xp sp2
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__archiben
Booster
s2art wrote:
I have spent a while trying to get my head around this, and seem to be getting more and more confused.
next: throw the cadimage tools into the mix and stir wildly . . .

you should probably do some experimentation with the cadimage tools + accessories and automatic walls . . . there are some conditions that render them inoperable. the one that stung me was having the base of a wall below the storey level: "automatic" or "own storey only" made no difference: wall builder wouldn't work at all.

etc . . .

good luck!

~/archiben
b e n _ f r o s t
b f [a t ] p l a n b a r c h i t e c t u r e [d o t] n z
archicad | sketchup | morpholio | phpp
Anonymous
Not applicable
~/archiben wrote:
next: throw the cadimage tools into the mix and stir wildly . . .

you should probably do some experimentation with the cadimage tools + accessories and automatic walls . . . there are some conditions that render them inoperable. the one that stung me was having the base of a wall below the storey level: "automatic" or "own storey only" made no difference: wall builder wouldn't work at all.

etc . . .

good luck!

~/archiben
Thanks for the tip, Ben. I don't tend to use them much for walls. Haven't had the need as yet.

Off to play some more....
Anonymous
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s2art wrote:
It seems if I change walls to Automatic the doors and windows are still showing on the First Floor plan (which they should not) even if I change the floor plan cut plane level. (Is the FPCP a fixed figure for the whole project or can it be different for different floors / views?)
Thanks

You can define FPCP level for each view in the view settings... To see your basement doors on the First Floor plan you need to set symbolic cut for that doors and windows and adjust the Absolute Display limit of FPCP to see the story below.

IMHO it would be nice if Floor Plan Cut Plane level could be edited separately in different areas of the model. It is essential feature to represent correct floor plans in complex multi-leveled buildings. And It will be great if GS make such FPCP visible and editable in sections and in 3d
Anonymous
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Link wrote:
Hi

I have been investigating this topic and I think the confusion is two-fold:

1. The difference between creating a new wall and editing an existing wall.
2. The difference between using the 'Automatic' and 'Own Story Only' settings for single-story walls and multi-story walls.

1. The thing to note is that when creating a wall the 'Show On/Link to Stories' setting appears as 'Current Story Only' (if it's not set to 'Automatic'). When editing an existing wall, this setting appears as 'Own Story Only'.

If we create a wall with the 'Current Story Only' setting, it will only show on the current story regardless of it's elevation. If we edit that wall and change it to 'Automatic' and then to 'Own Story Only' it will go from the current story to it's own story. According to GS terminology that story is based on 'the current vertical position of its reference line', which for a wall is located at it's base. This is probably best demonstrated by trying to model a wall on an upper story, whose base elevation is on a lower story, because if the vertical position of the wall's base does not lie within the current story, a pop-up warning may appear (if it hasn't been disabled) telling us the wall will appear on an unseen story.

I emphasize may because it then depends on the type of wall you are dealing with - a single story wall or a multi-story wall.

2. If we create a single-story wall using 'Current Story only' it will appear only on that story (even if the wall has a base elevation that is not on the current story). This is the default behavior in ArchiCAD 9 and earlier, so one might be inclined to use this setting for typical single-story walls and ease the transition into AC10. Incidentally, if we later change it to Automatic, it will move to it's correct story, based on the vertical position of the reference line, which we now know is the wall base. Again a pop-up warning may appear telling us the wall will appear on an unseen story.

However if we create a multi-story wall using 'Current story only' it will only show on that story. This may not be desirable since it won't show up on any other story it enters. But if we create a multi-story wall using 'Automatic' it will do two things: Firstly it will go to the correct story the instant it is created, again based on the vertical position of the reference line - the wall base. And if no part of it is seen on the current story, the pop-up warning will again appear telling us the wall will appear on an unseen story. Secondly it will appear on any other story that it enters. Now that depends on the 'Floor Plan Display' settings for that wall and the cut plane height of each story, but that's another story (pardon the pun) and potentially takes the confusion to three-fold or four-fold!

FWIW it's my opinion that the most logical default wall setting for AC10 is to set all walls to Automatic. This is the default setting for walls in the standard Graphisoft templates. It's not as easy to get used to, but if you want to 'dive right in' to AC10's new features, it'll take a while to adjust, but I think it'll be worth it. My reasoning is because if the Current Story Only setting is used, it is too easy to put walls on the wrong story. Sure this was handy in AC9 sometimes, but not so much now because of the new multi-story walls in AC10. Also because all walls will go to the correct story the instant they are created and multi-story walls will show on every story they enter. It's also consistent with creating walls in 3D.

There'll always be times when we need to set certain walls differently, but unless I receive information suggesting otherwise, I will be recommending Automatic as the way to go for general modeling.

Just my 2 cents...

Cheers,
Link.
But it makes trouble for the calculation, if the wall is positioned in minus Level from the own strorey.
Anonymous
Not applicable
James wrote:
My policy is to use 'own story' as default for this exact reason. Only use automatic as needed.

Draw the wall with 'own story', and then leave it alone.

HTH,
Trying to get a "Policy" here. I respect so many peoples opinions here.

So James, are you still "own story" vs. automatic for most walls?
Laura Yanoviak
Advisor
Absolutely "Own Story" -- "Automatic" should be the exception.
MacBook Pro Apple M2 Max, 96 GB of RAM
AC27 US (5003) on Mac OS Ventura 13.6.2
Started on AC4.0 in 91/92/93; full-time user since AC8.1 in 2004
Stephen Dolbee
Booster
Same here-"Own Story" almost exclusively.
AC19(9001), 27" iMac i7, 12 gb ram, ATI Radeon HD 4850 512mb, OS 10.12.6
Laura Yanoviak
Advisor
Originally (when we first implemented AC10), I went with Link's suggestion. This turned out to be a disaster. "Automatic" is nice in theory, but we only use it for multi-story walls.
MacBook Pro Apple M2 Max, 96 GB of RAM
AC27 US (5003) on Mac OS Ventura 13.6.2
Started on AC4.0 in 91/92/93; full-time user since AC8.1 in 2004
TomWaltz
Participant
Laura wrote:
Absolutely "Own Story" -- "Automatic" should be the exception.
I've gone the same route. "Automatic" is only for multi-story walls, which are not all that frequent.
Tom Waltz
Link
Graphisoft Partner
Graphisoft Partner
Laura wrote:
Absolutely "Own Story" -- "Automatic" should be the exception.
Do you mean current story only?
Laura wrote:
Originally (when we first implemented AC10), I went with Link's suggestion. This turned out to be a disaster. "Automatic" is nice in theory, but we only use it for multi-story walls.
Laura, would you please explain what constitiutes a disaster? I hate to think that I may have had a hand in causing any kind of disaster, especially one that is underlined.

I must be missing something here, because I fail to see how a single story wall set to automatic could cause any problems. If it's entirely within one story, surely it will 'automatically' show on that story? Then it would stand to reason that the automatic setting would, by default, only affect multi-story walls.

IME, Current/Own Story only replicates AC9 behaviour and Automatic takes advantage of AC10 behaviour. Sure the latter method takes a little more understanding and an awareness of one's wall settings, but that just comes down to good modeling, no? So is it a misunderstanding of the concept, or a true failing?

Please let me know what I am missing, as I obviously want to give the best advice on this forum and through my business.

Cheers,
Link.