2006-06-27 01:42 PM
2006-08-28 11:53 PM
s2art wrote:next: throw the cadimage tools into the mix and stir wildly . . .
I have spent a while trying to get my head around this, and seem to be getting more and more confused.
2006-08-29 12:03 AM
~/archiben wrote:Thanks for the tip, Ben. I don't tend to use them much for walls. Haven't had the need as yet.
next: throw the cadimage tools into the mix and stir wildly . . .
you should probably do some experimentation with the cadimage tools + accessories and automatic walls . . . there are some conditions that render them inoperable. the one that stung me was having the base of a wall below the storey level: "automatic" or "own storey only" made no difference: wall builder wouldn't work at all.
etc . . .
good luck!
~/archiben
2006-08-30 04:49 PM
s2art wrote:
It seems if I change walls to Automatic the doors and windows are still showing on the First Floor plan (which they should not) even if I change the floor plan cut plane level. (Is the FPCP a fixed figure for the whole project or can it be different for different floors / views?)
Thanks
2006-08-30 05:56 PM
Link wrote:But it makes trouble for the calculation, if the wall is positioned in minus Level from the own strorey.
Hi
I have been investigating this topic and I think the confusion is two-fold:
1. The difference between creating a new wall and editing an existing wall.
2. The difference between using the 'Automatic' and 'Own Story Only' settings for single-story walls and multi-story walls.
1. The thing to note is that whencreatinga wall the 'Show On/Link to Stories' setting appears as 'Current Story Only' (if it's not set to 'Automatic'). When editing an existing wall, this setting appears as 'Own Story Only'.
If we create a wall with the 'Current Story Only' setting, it will only show on the current story regardless of it's elevation. If we edit that wall and change it to 'Automatic' and then to 'Own Story Only' it will go from the current story to it's own story. According to GS terminology that story is based on 'the current vertical position of its reference line', which for a wall is located at it's base. This is probably best demonstrated by trying to model a wall on an upper story, whose base elevation is on a lower story, because if the vertical position of the wall's base does not lie within the current story, a pop-up warningmayappear (if it hasn't been disabled) telling us the wall will appear on an unseen story.
I emphasizemaybecause it then depends on the type of wall you are dealing with - a single story wall or a multi-story wall.
2. If we create a single-story wall using 'Current Story only' it will appearonlyon that story (even if the wall has a base elevation that is not on the current story). This is the default behavior in ArchiCAD 9 and earlier, so one might be inclined to use this setting for typical single-story walls and ease the transition into AC10. Incidentally, if we later change it to Automatic, it will move to it's correct story, based on the vertical position of the reference line, which we now know is the wall base. Again a pop-up warning may appear telling us the wall will appear on an unseen story.
However if we create a multi-story wall using 'Current story only' it will only show on that story. This may not be desirable since it won't show up on any other story it enters. But if we create a multi-story wall using 'Automatic' it will do two things: Firstly it will go to the correct story the instant it is created, again based on the vertical position of the reference line - the wall base. And if no part of it is seen on the current story, the pop-up warning will again appear telling us the wall will appear on an unseen story. Secondly it will appear on any other story that it enters. Now that depends on the 'Floor Plan Display' settings for that wall and the cut plane height of each story, but that's another story (pardon the pun) and potentially takes the confusion to three-fold or four-fold!
FWIW it's my opinion that the most logical default wall settingfor AC10is to set all walls to Automatic. This is the default setting for walls in the standard Graphisoft templates. It's not as easy to get used to, but if you want to 'dive right in' to AC10's new features, it'll take a while to adjust, but I think it'll be worth it. My reasoning is because if the Current Story Only setting is used, it is too easy to put walls on the wrong story. Sure this was handy in AC9 sometimes, but not so much now because of the new multi-story walls in AC10. Also because all walls will go to the correct story the instant they are created and multi-story walls will show on every story they enter. It's also consistent with creating walls in 3D.
There'll always be times when we need to set certain walls differently, but unless I receive information suggesting otherwise, I will be recommending Automatic as the way to go for general modeling.
Just my 2 cents...
Cheers,
Link.
2007-04-10 08:00 PM
James wrote:Trying to get a "Policy" here. I respect so many peoples opinions here.
My policy is to use 'own story' as default for this exact reason. Only use automatic as needed.
Draw the wall with 'own story', and then leave it alone.
HTH,
2007-04-10 09:22 PM
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2007-04-10 11:18 PM
Laura wrote:I've gone the same route. "Automatic" is only for multi-story walls, which are not all that frequent.
Absolutely "Own Story" -- "Automatic" should be the exception.
2007-04-11 01:15 AM
Laura wrote:Do you mean current story only?
Absolutely "Own Story" -- "Automatic" should be the exception.
Laura wrote:Laura, would you please explain what constitiutes a disaster? I hate to think that I may have had a hand in causing any kind of disaster, especially one that is underlined.
Originally (when we first implemented AC10), I went with Link's suggestion.This turned out to be a disaster. "Automatic" is nice in theory, but we only use it for multi-story walls.