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Have the 2d plan view reflect SEOs made to 3d objects.

peter_h
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Example: Create a 3D object, such as a rafter. Trim it to a roof using a boolean operation (SEO). The 2d plan view does not show it as trimmed. Apparently, this applies to all Solid Element Operations.

I've posted about this issue here..

This seems like a BIG omission, a bug even.

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keywords: SEO S.E.O. trim trims floor plan
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TomWaltz
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I agree this is an important feature, but I can't figure out why you would place rafters individually or trim them in that way.

Even if you're not using Roof Builder, I'd still think you would be better off just placing the rafter at the right length to begin with. SEOs are no replacement for the Trim command or just modeling exactly to begin with. Why not SEO off all the ends of your walls at corners instead of trimming them?
Tom Waltz

peter_h
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Hi Tom
I did use RoofMaker to create the initial structure. Check out the link in my first post to find out what and why this frustrates me.
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Grass
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As a (relatively) new ArchiCAD user, I'm curious as to how some of these larger 'bugs' get addressed. I am sooooo frustrated with the building model being disconnected with the plan view. To this I am speaking directly to the SEO created elements not reading in plan. After 12 versions being released, how does Graphisoft use this forum to address problems with the program? My feeling is that this is one of the most 2D programs I have ever used.
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Peter Clark
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Grass wrote:
As a (relatively) new ArchiCAD user, I'm curious as to how some of these larger 'bugs' get addressed. I am sooooo frustrated with the building model being disconnected with the plan view. To this I am speaking directly to the SEO created elements not reading in plan. After 12 versions being released, how does Graphisoft use this forum to address problems with the program? My feeling is that this is one of the most 2D programs I have ever used.
I guess one of the reasons the effects of SEO on library parts isn't shown is that their 2d display is coded into their internal script. Library parts are not aware of anything outside of their code, so if you artificially trim them using SEO, they have no idea what has been done to them.

What would be a better feature is an 'extend to face' function in 3d, much like the 'adjust' function on plan where the length parameter is updated correctly so the intelligence is kept.

In an ideal world SEO wouldn't exist at all because it isn't a proper BIM function: it's a cheap workaround to compensate for the lack of flexibility in the existing tools.

Rather than demanding that the effects of SEO be shown on plan, maybe we should be asking that the existing tools be enhanced so we wouldn't need it!
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peter_h
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Wow... over 2800 views and only 27 people voted in total.
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Laszlo Nagy
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You should check the ArchiCAD Help files.
There are some images there about the SEO options available in ArchiCAD.
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wastzzz
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the feature is essential.
SEO have to appear in the 2d plan view.

pixpast
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"wastzzz" wrote:
the feature is essential.
SEO have to appear in the 2d plan view.


can i just ask,
i have created a complex roof structure that is really only possible using SOE editing.
But i do need a workable plan.
My sections are all perfect with the SOE cuts, just not the plans.

can you please tell me that this major error has been fixed in archicad15?

thanks.
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Barry Kelly
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Only shells and roofs show their SEO form in 2D.
Nothing else does.Maybe in future versions as they further develop the existing tools like they have done with the roof tool.
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Steven Dumont
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Old post but I've only just realized this. Why, oh why, do SEO's not show up in plan????

Help us Katalin Takacs!! Tell the tech guys they need to fix this!
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Laszlo Nagy
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I am pretty sure they are aware of it.
But I think this requires more fundamental changes to the program so it is not a easy or fast task to do.
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Steven Dumont
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Press release: New features in ArchiCad 24:

SEO's now visible in plan.

Stair tool improved.

Beams have cover fills.

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s2art
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Steven wrote:
Press release: New features in ArchiCad 24:

SEO's now visible in plan.

Stair tool improved.

Beams have cover fills.

I'm sure (if it takes that long) BOTH of the people still using Archicad 24 will be very happy.
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jferreira
Newcomer
Using version 17 but the SEO's don't show up. (I substracted a series of slabs with a vertical square prism to make the hole for the stairs) the operation does show up in 3D but not on the plan view.

Is this some sort of option I need to activate?

Karl Ottenstein
Moderator
jferreira wrote:
Is this some sort of option I need to activate?
No, that is the point of this wish: SEOps do not show up in plan. The bit below was a joke about a mythical AC 24.

Cast your vote above.
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jferreira
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Ha! misread the v24 thing, just voted now. Thank you!!
Karl wrote:
jferreira wrote:
Is this some sort of option I need to activate?
No, that is the point of this wish: SEOps do not show up in plan. The bit below was a joke about a mythical AC 24.

Cast your vote above.

s2art
Newcomer
jferreira wrote:
Using version 17 but the SEO's don't show up. (I substracted a series of slabs with a vertical square prism to make the hole for the stairs) the operation does show up in 3D but not on the plan view.
If you are just cutting a hole in a slab use the pet palette options.
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jferreira
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Yup, at the end I opted for that option, the reason I did the SEO was because that volume was affecting a lot of elements
s2art wrote:
jferreira wrote:
Using version 17 but the SEO's don't show up. (I substracted a series of slabs with a vertical square prism to make the hole for the stairs) the operation does show up in 3D but not on the plan view.
If you are just cutting a hole in a slab use the pet palette options.

John Stanford
Newcomer
2014, Archicad 17, and still no correct plan for S.E.O. affected elements..

i mean... come on already

.advanced BIM integration?
.advanced BIM tools etc etc?
.smooth and smart workflows?
.freedom in designing?

not without this one

other features are pretty decent with their own flaws, but this one has been going on for a long time and needed a fix to improve all those things i mentioned above, it's frustrating to work in a BIM knowing that it's not containing the correct "information"
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