Revit stupidness

[Anonymous]

I am mulling introduction of a BIM modeling program to my company, and have been looking closely at Autodesk Revit. One thing that drives me crazy about the program is that finishes are included in floor and wall types. Huh? Finishes are done in a separate phase from the walls or floors, at least in America. What makes more sense is that you can specify wall, base and floor finishes on a per room basis, and have them modeled to the floor and walls automatically.

Does ArchiCAD do this?

[Dwight]

You are jumping the gun in assuming that a wall requires a fixed commitment to a completed finish from the get-go.

Both Revit and Archicad surface walls as you describe. It is a management decision what the initial wall description should be, however. You could make all the walls light grey plasticene at the beginning of the project because with the BIM approach, it is quick to edit wall composition and re-assign surfaces with ease - on a room by room basis if necessary.

However, room finishes applied do not respond a room finish schedule. That is a good idea!

Archicad does have some wall surfacing techniques that work room-by-room.

As for floor finishes, you'd normally just model the structural slab as a unit, then use the magic wand in each room to model the tile or carpet finish.

In your evaluation, please be mindful that the BIM is different than the drafting approach.....

[Anonymous]

What I am after is the opposite of the drafting approach- rooms should parametric objects that can be assigned finishes and have them physically represent in the model. I would like to add a finish tag to a wall surface in an interior elevation and have the program "know" what finish is there.

I'd rather not go room by room and manually apply new floor layers or make a plethora of wall types to show every finish combination. Being a lazy b**tard, I would like the program to do it for me.

I am interested in the tools in AC that help with this that you referenced.

[Anonymous]

"with the BIM approach, it is quick to edit wall composition and re-assign surfaces with ease - on a room by room basis if necessary. "

This sounds like it could be the answer to my question; however I could not find this functionality anywhere in the Revit manual- could you point me in the right direction?

[stefan]

olexia wrote:

with the BIM approach, it is quick to edit wall composition and re-assign surfaces with ease - on a room by room basis if necessary.

This sounds like it could be the answer to my question; however I could not find this functionality anywhere in the Revit manual- could you point me in the right direction?

If the question is too Revit-specific, it might be worth to ask it in the Revit forum 😉

FWIW, I think you need to make out for your office how you would go about and model it. You can find different tricks, such as drawing two (or three) walls instead of one, so the thin inner wall can have the actual finishes, which could then be traced in schedules as well. However, placing openings will get much more complicated.

With the regular multi-layer walls, you'll need to create different combinations for each situation in your project.