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Which accounting software does your company use?

Anonymous
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Just interested in hearing what others use. We're about to get hit with an enormous upgrade/conversion fee from Deltek so I'm investigating options.
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Karl Ottenstein
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I know you're asking about 'big firm' software, Eric ... but for small firms, I've found QuickBook Pro (Windows version) can do the essentials, project/job accounting, payroll, etc.

The Mac version of QuickBooks (and consumer Quicken) is way behind the Windows version from what I've read in the QB and Q forums...so Mac folks are better off running QB Pro/Windows using Parallels. (Intuit also does not have a migration path to move data files between platforms - but running the Windows version on both platforms removes that issue.)
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Anonymous
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No, we're small, too (15 emps). 😉

My bookkeeper uses Quickbooks at another firm (she keeps books for 3 architects) and she hates it. Not sure why, but she has had problems and says it's easy to get things screwed up.
Chazz
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Eric wrote:
My bookkeeper uses Quickbooks at another firm and she hates it.
Judging by Intuit's other offerings, I would consider this a sign of sanity on her part.

Our last bookkeeper said the stuff from peachtree was much higer quality but not as "standard" or common.
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Karl Ottenstein
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Chazz wrote:
Our last bookkeeper said the stuff from peachtree was much higer quality but not as "standard" or common.
Not sure about 'quality'. But, Peachtree was/is honest double-entry bookkeeping on the surface and underneath. Their UI has sucked terribly, with pop-up windows that don't resize, lack of fast quickfill features ('lookups' instead - extra clicks), etc. Believe it or not, the ancient Peachtree for DOS was better/faster than the Windows version (which was written by a different team/company and just 'labeled' Peachtree Accounting).

QB Pro is also double-entry underneath, but hides it on the surface to make it easy for 'normal' people. Generally, this means that bookkeepers who were trained with double-entry methods get frustrated because they can't see what is going on immediately...they want to make those double entries and not have the system make the second entry for them. All of it is there to see if one opens the 'registers' (journals), which do include a general journal. (The accounting types usually give up before finding the general journal and other features - which really are not needed often, as even common journal entries can be made automatically behind the scenes.)

Bookkeeper types get all concerned about QuickBooks not 'closing' periods like standard accounting software, thus fearing that old entries might be modified and invalidate reports. Yet, all transactions prior to a specific date can be password protected, in effect closing (locking) them.

The benefit of QB over standard 'closed' methods is that indeed you CAN modify older transations when someone wise enough to know what they are doing needs to do so in order to generate proper reports without hundreds of adjustment entries. There is an 'audit trail' feature that can be enabled to log all of these changes - thus providing full accountability, but cleaner reports.

Moreover, by not 'closing' in the traditional sense (which aggregates transactions) - every single transaction is still available for drilling down into from the (interactive) reports. AFAIK, Intuit was the first company to provide this kind of drill-down reporting in consumer software nearly 20 years ago.

Bookkeeper types used to prefer Peachtree, too, because they had to number all of their accounts - and so many of them were trained in school to use numbers and not names. Later versions of Peachtree allowed both. QB names can be anything, so the number-retentive can have their way there, too - but for no reason I can fathom as hiearchically named account names are much easier to understand. (Exceptions are school systems, etc., who are mandated by the State to use certain account numbers/codes.)

My greatest complaint is about how QB handles invoicing. If you have transfered time and materials to an invoice and then cancel or clear before saving it, those time and materials entries are still billable. If instead you save the invoice and then stupidly delete it - QB is not smart enough to mark them billable again if the invoice was not paid. They can be manually made billable again...if you have a printout to help find them all. (So, as usual, backups are a good thing.)

My other big complaint about QB is Intuit themselves - year after year ignoring things on the wish list that would improve reports and more. Ignoring basic functionality and instead going for what they think will sell. (Sound familar?)

Still, I'm generally satisfied with the product. It is networkable with access-rights restrictions, and employees/contractors can also use a small standalone time-recording application to log their billable hours by job for import into the database.

Cheers,
Karl
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Anonymous
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I would use MYOB accounting software
Anonymous
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We used to use Quicken, but at some point your accountant starts getting nervous. We ponied up for the accounting add on package for Job Order. It is pretty How Hum visually, but if you haven't seen Job Order and what it can do for you, it truly is stunning. Takes you from tracking time looking in the rear view mirror, to really planning your time and then morphing it to what actually happened. We searched high and low before finding it and there is just nothing else like it. It is subscription based so, while you can stop upgrading when ever you want, they literally continue to hone the software to meeting the ever growing needs of their clients.... nothing is more cool than watching software grow into what you want. In fact if it has a weakness, it is that it can be a bit overwhelming at all that it can do, but just the ability to develop a proposal, morph that into a job budget, then cost time against that budget and now in real time where you and your staff are at, right when you want to know. And then be able to use that budget, or that job to form the basis of your next one is killer. And when you start using your timeslips as a communication tool to lay staff out from your budget and then they use morph those directions into timeslips of actual time, the real power of the software comes to the fore.

Bottom line, accounting and time tracking software is never very sexy, but when all you sell is time at the end of the day, don't cheat your business on not getting a great tool. I highly recommend that you give Job Order by Management Software Inc. a look. BTW, I run a 15 person architectural firm which does primarily commercial work.
Anonymous
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Thanks for the responses, guys. I don't think there is any way to add a poll to this after the original post was made, is there? I didn't think of doing that initially.
Karl Ottenstein
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Eric wrote:
Thanks for the responses, guys. I don't think there is any way to add a poll to this after the original post was made, is there? I didn't think of doing that initially.
Hi Eric,

Only the very first post in a thread can create a poll. If you click the edit button on your initial post, you should be able to add a poll there.

Cheers,
Karl
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Anonymous
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Thanks Karl.

FYI, I posed the question to the developer or ArchiOffice and he said of the 600 firms that use ArchiOffice 95% use QuickBooks.