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Archicad on Mac Studio?

genarch
Booster

Has anyone run Archicad on a new Mac Studio? If so how was the performance?

Mac OSX 11.6.8

AC26, Artlantis 2020, TwinMotion

iMac Pro 2017 / 8-core 3.2 GHz / 32GB RAM
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blgp
Contributor

Yes, two times the following one:

M1 Max mit 10‑Core CPU, 32‑Core GPU und 16‑Core Neural Engine, 64 GB, 1 TB SSD

But we have only started testing and in a week I can say more. Both workstations had an iMac i9 from 2019 with 40 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD before.
We won't do time measurements specifically, but will mainly work on the large, currently very sluggish projects.

Rick Thompson
Enthusiast

This is a response from GS for what it might be worth >>>

As the Mac Studio computer is unproven in the market, and we haven't concluded our testing, it's not prudent to give a green light on recommending it.

That said, if it becomes approved by our testing and is proven in the market, below is the Mac Studio configuration that would likely be recommended for most Archicad users with one or two monitors/displays:

  • Processor: Apple M1 Max with 10-core CPU, 24-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine (A higher number of GPU cores would likely be unwarranted for most Archicad users using one or two monitors/displays)
  • Memory: 32 GB (Mid-range Archicad project size (Apartment and office buildings) and detail) or 64 GB (High-range Archicad project size (High rises, hospitals, campuses) and detail)
  • Storage: 1 TB or higher (Though a 512 GB machine may suit some users, a storage drive of 1 TB or higher in size will allow for numerous larger applications to be installed; keeping the storage drive from becoming overly full will maintain optimal performance)

 

Rick Thompson

Mac Monterey AC 25

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iMac 3.4GHz Quad i5 24 GB w/SSD Monterey

Rick Thompson
Enthusiast

That was from March 22

 

Rick Thompson

Mac Monterey AC 25

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iMac 3.4GHz Quad i5 24 GB w/SSD Monterey

Thanks for posting that. I just ordered one last week, with 32 core GPU and 64G of memory.

Robert Wilkanowski

Archicad 26

Mac OS Monterey

Hardware: M1 Max with 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine, 64GB unified memory
1TB SSD storage

Rick Thompson
Enthusiast

Great.. please post your results.  I have a 2017 iMac/27" and it seems to have some old system level junk interfering so it's matter of wiping and a clean install.. or move on to a new computer.  A new one seems like a much better idea than doing all that work 🙂  The new Studio monitor sounds pretty nice too.

Rick Thompson

Mac Monterey AC 25

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iMac 3.4GHz Quad i5 24 GB w/SSD Monterey

No one going with the M1 Ultra, aka The Big Guns? I’ll be transitioning from an iMac Pro. 

Mac OSX 11.6.8

AC26, Artlantis 2020, TwinMotion

iMac Pro 2017 / 8-core 3.2 GHz / 32GB RAM

genarch
Booster

Another poster here posted on another issue but as a side note was complaining a lot about the performance of Archicad on an M1 Max chip: Mac M1 Max and Archicad 25 bug in 3D

Doesn't make me feel good about moving to Apple's chips...

Mac OSX 11.6.8

AC26, Artlantis 2020, TwinMotion

iMac Pro 2017 / 8-core 3.2 GHz / 32GB RAM

David Shorter
Advisor

I find this reply from Graphisoft very strange  "As the Mac Studio computer is unproven in the market, and we haven't concluded our testing, it's not prudent to give a green light on recommending it." Apple silicon has been around for nearly 2 years and THAT is the issue. Apple are going over completely to their own chips and that is the question being asked, not which computer but when will Archicad be able to run natively on Apple silicon.

I literally can't run the latest Apple OS so I HAVE to get a new computer.

I wouldn't get a intel Mac mini because the spec is too low

I wouldn't get an intel based Mac Pro because the spec is too high (and its old tech)

All the remaining Mac products use Apple Silicon

So what choice do I have ! Its time to take Apple Silicon seriously

Archicad 4.1 to 26 Apple Silicon
you can't build a line
Mac Studio
iPad Pro
iPhone

genarch
Booster

I find it strangely upsetting. What I would like to hear is Graphisoft’s timeline for getting Archicad to run natively on Apple silicon. 

Mac OSX 11.6.8

AC26, Artlantis 2020, TwinMotion

iMac Pro 2017 / 8-core 3.2 GHz / 32GB RAM


@genarch wrote:

I find it strangely upsetting. What I would like to hear is Graphisoft’s timeline for getting Archicad to run natively on Apple silicon. 


No specific date, but later this year.

 

https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Setup-License-articles/ARM-Mac-support/ta-p/304108

 

Barry.


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blgp
Contributor

We now have a few days of experience with both Mac Studios (M1 Max with 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, 64 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD storage).
There is no noticeable performance difference compared to the iMac 24" with M1. The larger projects are exactly as sluggish as on a 2019 iMac i9 (the comparison model in our case).
For example, if a projectile is changed with active transparency pause, you can easily wait 20 seconds or longer (for larger projects)!
Presumably, this was to be feared, since Archicad has not managed to use multiprocessors smartly and thus only the maximum singlespeed is decisive (and this is now unfortunately comparable with the i9 from 2019).
If this is not significantly better in the summer with the native version, Graphisoft probably has no real desire for Apple computers and we will probably have to write off Archicad as a bad investment!
Even a sculpture of Steve Jobs at the headquarters will not help ;-(

So we can only hope that the homework will be done and at least the same speed increases will be realized as VectorWorks has done. Maybe in this case, twice as long to develop also means twice the speed increases?
Fingers crossed 😉

jtaarud
Participant

I have an Ultra 128MB and I have to say it's like butter compared to my 2014 Intel MAC 4GHz.

I've noticed that, for quick and dirty photo renderings, IradLegacy produces very quick renderings with 20 cores.  In that setting, the GI phase doesn't take advantage of cores, but Render portion was quite fast.  For low-resolution movies, lack of parallelism hurts during the GI phase.  Of course, legacyIrradiance suffers from sparkle-noise in movie renderings, but for still-renderings it creates a cleaner look than the more accurate QMC.

 

The "Standard 20core" Render in AC25 appears to run in 1/3 the time of the "Redshift w/ internal GPU" at equivalent settings.  

 

 

David Shorter
Advisor

I just downloaded (again) GRAPHISOFT_Archicad_Sample_Project-S-Office_v1.0_AC25.pla

I run the following.... 

  Model Name: Mac Studio

  Model Identifier: Mac13,1

  Chip: Apple M1 Max

  Total Number of Cores: 10 (8 performance and 2 efficiency)

  Memory: 32 GB

  Chipset Model: Apple M1 Max

  Type: GPU

  Bus: Built-In

  Total Number of Cores: 32

  Vendor: Apple (0x106b)

  Metal Family: Supported, Metal GPUFamily Apple 7

-------------------------

I opened the above file in 26RC1 (rosetta 2 only)

Went to 3D (default 3D view and settings) and generated a 3D PHOTORENDER using Redshift.

It took about 2min 30 used (80% CPU to start then settled at 30%) Used 1% GPU

Using Standard took about a second longer with similar CPU and GPU loads.

Rotating the whole model in 3D used about 85% CPU snd 45% GPU

Using Detailed shading (shadows) changed the CPU to about 95% and the GPU to 65% (shadows still need to regen after move.

Archicad 4.1 to 26 Apple Silicon
you can't build a line
Mac Studio
iPad Pro
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