EXISTING...DEMOLITION...TO NEW?

[rob2218]

see attached.
need to take some objects out, put them in a "demolition" filter phase, then that "hole" that is left I need to show it in plan/elevation/section that it's been filled in by a "NEW WALL'.....but I don't want to have to:
a) take out the window in demolition filter to then have to insert a 'hole' in exactly the same place in order to then...
b) fill that hole which will reside in the wall that stays as "existing"

there's got to be a better way to do this graphically.

[Anonymous]

Rob / Barry,

refer to attached pdf for settings I use that I believe will achieve what you are looking for.

Have re-attached PDF, seems to work now


Scott

[David Maudlin]

Barry wrote:
You could choose to leave the 'New Elements' as "Show" rather than 'Override".

The New needs to be set to Override for the New to appear in the Demolished opening in the Existing wall.

David

[Barry Kelly]

David wrote:

Barry wrote:
You could choose to leave the 'New Elements' as "Show" rather than 'Override".

The New needs to be set to Override for the New to appear in the Demolished opening in the Existing wall.

David

'Show' or "Override' should both work.
It just depends on how you want to see the elements.

If you 'Show' the new elements then they will appear as they were created (composite fills, colours, etc.).
Just as they would if you were creating a completely new project.
In this case you would probably 'Override' your existing elements so they appear differently.

If you 'Override' the new elements then you can control how they look and then you would have to 'Show' the existing elements or 'Override' them as well but with different override styles so they appear differently to the new elements.

Seems to me to make sense to 'Show' new elements as they are set up in Archicad and 'Override' existing and to be demolished elements so they appear differently.

Barry.

[David Maudlin]

Barry wrote:
'Show' or "Override' should both work.

I wish it did, but it does not. As per the original post, the demolished opening will show a fill (for New) only if the New is set to Override.

David

[Anonymous]

I believe that people are tackling this differently to how the developers intended.
Existing elements shoud all be modelled the same way you would model new and but with the status set to existing.
The BIM model will be incomplete if you model differently, there will be 'gaps' in the information in the model and any data / analysis pulled from the model data (eg energy analysis) would be flawed. At the end of a project (ie post defects libility period) all of the new elements would have their stsus changed to existing, ready for the next round of works to proceed or for the facility managers use.

Scott

[Anonymous]

David wrote:

Barry wrote:
'Show' or "Override' should both work.

I wish it did, but it does not. As per the original post, the demolished opening will show a fill (for New) only if the New is set to Override.

David

David

I think you are reinforcing Barry's point. Your right hand example shows the wall as it was drawn, which is what "Show" means. If you want the new section to stand out you have to either change existing to "Override" with new set to "Show", or existing to "Show" with new to "Override", as Barry explained, otherwise they both look the same (both "Show"-ing the same thing).

Usually I have existing set to Override for proposed plans, with the overrides set so the walls look lighter (grey and plain fills) than any new work.

[David Maudlin]

Barry and s2art:

You are right, I misread Barry's post, sorry for the misinformation.

David

[Anonymous]

Barry wrote:
I don't use the reno filters at all but this is what I would do.

Obviously the wall is tagged as 'existing' and the window as 'to be demolished'.

Now create a renovation filter called "new Construction" or whatever you would like to call it.

Set the filter as per the attached image - I think I have highlighted all the important fields.

Then in the 'Renovation Override Styles' for existing and new set the colours and fills you want.
The to be demolished override really doesn't matter here as you have set it to not show the windows.

The window is automatically filled with a new wall - the trick is you need to override the "new" elements so that appear as you want them to.

I think this is what you are after.

Barry.

Hi Barry,

Am I right in understanding that ARCHICAD (v20 for me) does not allow you to create NEW graphic overrides based on Renovation Status...? So when you say "New Override" you are meaning to adjust the existing Renovation overrides (1 of 3) that is the default?

As a side note - it seems that it would be extremely useful to be able to create new Graphic Overrides based on renovation status - not sure why ARCHICAD does not permit this.

[Barry Kelly]

benjamin_chan wrote:
Hi Barry,

Am I right in understanding that ARCHICAD (v20 for me) does not allow you to create NEW graphic overrides based on Renovation Status...? So when you say "New Override" you are meaning to adjust the existing Renovation overrides (1 of 3) that is the default?

As a side note - it seems that it would be extremely useful to be able to create new Graphic Overrides based on renovation status - not sure why ARCHICAD does not permit this.

Hi Benjamin,
This post was started before version 20 so there were no Graphic Overrides as shown in your image.
They are separate from the Renovation Filter Overrides.

You can only have the 3 renovation status(es) - new, existing and to be demolished.
You can however have as many renovation filters as you want where you can control how each of these status appear and you can set elements to only appear when a particular renovation filter is active.

Barry.

[Anonymous]

Barry wrote:

benjamin_chan wrote:
Hi Barry,

Am I right in understanding that ARCHICAD (v20 for me) does not allow you to create NEW graphic overrides based on Renovation Status...? So when you say "New Override" you are meaning to adjust the existing Renovation overrides (1 of 3) that is the default?

As a side note - it seems that it would be extremely useful to be able to create new Graphic Overrides based on renovation status - not sure why ARCHICAD does not permit this.

Hi Benjamin,
This post was started before version 20 so there were no Graphic Overrides as shown in your image.
They are separate from the Renovation Filter Overrides.

You can only have the 3 renovation status(es) - new, existing and to be demolished.
You can however have as many renovation filters as you want where you can control how each of these status appear and you can set elements to only appear when a particular renovation filter is active.

Barry.

Thanks Barry.

What I mean is that in ARCHICAD 20 there three default Graphic Override Rules, one for Existing Elements, one for Elements to be Demolished, and one for New Elements. The criteria for these three default Graphic Override Rules are greyed out, which I don't understand the reason for.

For example, it would be great to be able to set a Graphic Override for:

Element Type: 3D Types
Renovation Status: New
Layer: External Wall

etc.
But I am unable to do so.