Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or not

[Dennis Lee]

The renovation features are great in general, but how do others deal with showing annotation in the different plans?

Obviously the modeling elements can have the renovation settings set according to the design intent, but how do you show leaders, notes, detail references, enlarged plan references, section / elevation markers in the different plans?

Leader lines and dimension lines take on the linetype override settings set in the renovation overrides, so if you have all the demolition items to show up with a hidden line for example, your dimensions and leader notes will show up with hidden lines as well. This can be solved to a certain extent by having the "demolition" notes and dims to actually be "existing" status (thus not taking on the hidden line override of the demolition filter), but checked to show on the "current filter only" with the demolition plan.

However, the viewpoint generators (section, elevation, interior elevation, detail callouts) all seem to have no renovation filter setting at all? Does this mean that if you want to show the detail reference of a new wall, it will show up in the demolition plan as well? Does this mean that for all the annotation elements it is still better to have a different layer combo for the different plans?

[Laura Yanoviak]

Dennis wrote:
Does this mean that for all the annotation elements it is still better to have a different layer combo for the different plans?

I believe so. As I update our template for AC15, I've been hesitant to do away with all of the DEMO/EXST Layers and Layer Combinations. I believe we can do without most but not all.

[vfrontiers]

You are on to something here...

GS WISH... Put in a DIMENSIONS and LABEL override as well... (ie, to NOT subject them to overrides)..

For your issue now, though... From the cuff here... what about working it back words...

Start your DEMO STUFF with DASHED lines and override to SOLID for PRE DEMOLITION status... Then you can keep your DEMO LABELS drawn SOLID and overridden to SOLID with the filter...

Just a thought (haven't flushed it thru all the way.. but see what you can do with it..

[Karl Ottenstein]

I suppose a workaround is to use multiple drawings (views) stacked on top of each other in a Layout, as is needed in other situations. The demo view could omit the dimensions and there could be a separate demo view (with solid lines) that shows just the dimensions and you overlay this one on top the first in the layout?

Cheers,
Karl

[Laura Yanoviak]

It's a shame all elements don't have an "Ignore Renovation Filter Overrides" setting -- as there are always exceptions to every rule.

[Karl Ottenstein]

Laura wrote:
It's a shame all elements don't have an "Ignore Renovation Filter Overrides" setting -- as there are always exceptions to every rule.

Great idea!

[Dennis Lee]

Karl wrote:

Laura wrote:
It's a shame all elements don't have an "Ignore Renovation Filter Overrides" setting -- as there are always exceptions to every rule.

Great idea!

Yes! Plus, get EVERYTHING to have the renovation status field, including those section, elevation, detail markers.

[Dennis Lee]

vfrontiers wrote:
You are on to something here...

GS WISH... Put in a DIMENSIONS and LABEL override as well... (ie, to NOT subject them to overrides)..

For your issue now, though... From the cuff here... what about working it back words...

Start your DEMO STUFF with DASHED lines and override to SOLID for PRE DEMOLITION status... Then you can keep your DEMO LABELS drawn SOLID and overridden to SOLID with the filter...

Just a thought (haven't flushed it thru all the way.. but see what you can do with it..

Nice idea too, but I think the dimensions and annotations taking on the hidden line is something I can live with. Like I said, have the dimensions be "existing" status, and for the dimension string that deals with demo items, have that dimension be set to show up on "demo" filter only. For leader notes, the arrow can be a hidden line, but since the leader itself can be different angle from most construction items, it won't be as confusing as having dimension lines showing up same line type as demo construction items. Otherwise, you can make the leader notes "existing" filter with manual setting to show on "demo" filter only as well.

The only thing that's really not allowing me to get rid of all demo / eisting / new layers and layer combos is the view point tools (section, elevation, IE, detail, worksheet markers) not having this renovation setting at all.

[Dennis Lee]

Laura wrote:

Dennis wrote:
Does this mean that for all the annotation elements it is still better to have a different layer combo for the different plans?

I believe so. As I update our template for AC15, I've been hesitant to do away with all of the DEMO/EXST Layers and Layer Combinations. I believe we can do without most but not all.

Thanks for your feedback. It's good to know I'm not missing something obvious. I guess getting rid of the DEMO/ EXST layers for all construction elements at least is a good thing! Glass half full... 🙂

[Laura Yanoviak]

Wish made