2024-03-28 02:53 PM - last edited on 2024-05-27 05:20 PM by Karl Ottenstein
Dear Community,
You may have already read the press release or the Insights post about our strategic shift to a subscription model.
Here is a quick summary of the news:
BUDAPEST, April 2, 2024—Graphisoft, the leading Building Information Modeling (BIM) software solution developer for architecture and multidisciplinary design, today announced that, as part of its strategic shift to a sustainable subscription software delivery model, perpetual licenses will be gradually phased out by the end of 2025. This change does not affect the delivery of Software Service Agreement (SSA)/Forward subscription services to existing customers.
Archicad perpetual and SSA/Forward licenses will be available for new customers through December 31, 2024, and to existing customers through December 31, 2025. Starting in 2026, Archicad will be available only through subscription. Active SSA/Forward contracts will continue to be serviced beyond 2025. Alternatively, SSA/Forward customers can convert to Archicad Collaborate subscriptions at the same price as SSA/Forward. This offer is designed to help existing SSA/Forward subscribers take full advantage of the Archicad Collaborate subscription, which combines award-winning Archicad for architectural design with BIMx and BIMcloud SaaS for fast, efficient, secure, real-time access to shared projects.
Please ask your questions and share your thoughts here -- Graphisoft's expert team will try and provide answer to all sorts of questions you may have!
Thank you.
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Edit by Moderator: here is the link to the evolving information/FAQ page about this announcement:
https://graphisoft.com/convert-ssa-forward-to-archicad-collaborate/
Akos Pfemeter
VP Global Cross-Brand Sales, Graphisoft
2024-04-16 09:12 AM
I think if GS does this step it's time to say goodbye to archicad.
2024-04-16 10:05 AM
It´s not an if. It´s happening NOW and the ship has sailed, I´m afraid.
2024-04-16 10:48 AM - last edited on 2024-04-21 04:13 PM by Laszlo Nagy
Could we get some more and structured information about this? I know the prices have always been tailored to a specific market so you can't publish those (or can you, as you seem to be going for a global price model?), but please give us a product roadmap so we can plan ahead. Just an example (with my interpretation which is likely wrong - made in Archicad), which I would like to see made by GS:
| Archicad 4.55 - 27
| HP Z840 | 2× E5-2643 v4 | 64 GB RAM | Quadro M5000 | Windows 10 Pro x64
| HP Z4 G4 | W-2245 | 64 GB RAM | RTX A4000 | Windows 11
2024-04-18 05:06 AM
At the end of the day, it’s all about the pricing. I certainly don’t mind they force me to subscription if it only costs me €10 per month.
The funny thing about GS is, they keep updating the FAQ and still cannot tell my local sales rep the new pricing.
Don’t just tell me the pros and cons. Give me the pricing then I can decide to stay or leave.
If GS still cannot make up their mind on pricing, the rant in this thread is the natural consequence and we would escalate it, just like what architects did to Autodesk.
BTW, the open letters did push Autodesk to put resources into Revit development, and Revit is becoming more user friendly and more automated.
If we don’t like how GS treats us long time supporters, the best way is to go to autodesk’s roadmap website, and put archicad’s killer functions onto their roadmap. I’ll put priority junction into their roadmap so to speak.
2024-04-18 05:28 AM - last edited on 2024-04-21 06:47 PM by Laszlo Nagy
I am not sure the prices will be affordable. This is an idea about what I am expecting:
2024-04-18 06:02 AM
So, that shows that Archicad Subscription is the same cost as Archicad + BIMCloud.
Which is exactly what the subscription is ... Archicad + BIMCloud + BIMx
No big increase in price.
Or is that something you have mocked up as what you would like?
Barry.
2024-04-18 06:07 AM - edited 2024-04-18 06:09 AM
I currently pay lower than that for perpetual license + SSA, and those subscription prices scare me a lot.
2024-04-18 06:50 AM
The functions in my SSA is more or less same as Archicad Subscription tier. I’ve checked my local GS website and it’s true that Archicad Subscription pricing is 3x of my current SSA.
I don’t need the additional functionalities in the archicad collaborate tier.
so it is 3x price hike!
2024-04-18 05:44 AM
@Scraptrash wrote:
At the end of the day, it’s all about the pricing. I certainly don’t mind they force me to subscription if it only costs me €10 per month.
The funny thing about GS is, they keep updating the FAQ and still cannot tell my local sales rep the new pricing.
Firstly no-one is forcing you to do anything.
You can stay with the SSA/Forward support if you want.
Secondly, there is no new pricing.
If you decide to take out the subscription for 3 years (up front payout), you will get it for the same as you are paying now for SSA.
Or I believe you can subscribe yearly with a 10% extra cost if you don't want to pay out the 3 years in one go.
I don't think you will have any luck from any company if you want to know the future costs in the years to come.
All we can work on is what we have now.
Barry.
2024-04-18 06:04 AM
So the archicad collaborate price is about 3 times of SSA I’m current paying yearly.
so GS is increasing price by 3 times, plus no more perpetual license. Oh that’s a huge price hike! Much worse than Autodesk!
So changing to subscription model is a mis-direction (a magic trick I learnt from Netflix recently). The real thing is 3x price hike!
2024-04-18 07:03 AM
If you don't need the collaboration, don't switch to subscription.
Stay on SSA.
Sure there is no guarantee that SSA prices will not increase, but then I bet the subscription does as well.
If it all gets to expensive for the value you get out of it, then stop the support payments and you will still have your Archicad at the version when you stop payments.
Barry.
2024-04-18 07:16 AM
With this pricing, I probably would stay in SSA for 3 more years, get the perpetual license for AC29(?), then decide to jump into AC30 subscription or not. That’s becoming clear.
But still I need to wait for local sales rep to confirm their latest offering.
The point I want to make plain and clear is, GS is announcing a 3x price hike & killing perpetual license to SSA subscribers. This should be a factual background we should all know.
2024-04-18 07:23 AM
There is no 3x price hike.
With a subscription, you do not pay the up front 10000+ for the license and then the yearly SSA support on top.
You are effectively renting Archicad and BIMCloud.
SSA is cheaper because you have already paid for the license.
There is nothing to say you can not stay on SSA for more than 3 years.
You just won't be able to by a new license in future - then you will have to take out a subscription if you need any more.
Barry.
2024-04-18 07:48 AM - edited 2024-04-18 07:50 AM
That’s what most of us here understand about how subscriptions will affect ongoing pricing and upgrades to future versions.
Just read the fine print on our contracts when they issue them to us, no matter what option we choose for our business going forward.
Graphisoft’s terms and conditions seem to be quite different to other 3D/CAD/BIM software subscription services ???
More clarification regarding stopping a subscription conversion down the track and returning back to a license needs to be made transparent for all of us.
We will just have to wait and see what transpires.
2024-04-16 11:32 AM
Here is a joint paper of four european organisations for fair business priciples between software companies and users.
These four organisations have filed a motion to the EU Comission to check the new licensing conditions of Broadcom and it's product VMware (no perpetual licenses any more, only subscription, similar to Nemetschek).
2024-04-18 08:26 AM - edited 2024-04-23 06:25 AM
Participating & following this conversation have been very insightful, despite unanswered questions still hanging in the air.
@Barry Kelly thanks for your valiant effort here supporting the community & keeping it "level headed"! 👊
This is a summary of my understanding at this time:
I went to http://store.graphisoft.com: options are...
These all include 1 seat license for: Archicad, BIMcloud SaaS & BIMx Pro
A (new Perpetual v27 + BIMcloud Basic license + SSA*) "X" + (BIMcloud SaaS) "Y" x 12 (1 Year) cost = "Z" in my currency:
Note: * the Perpetual calculation is based on SSA not increasing.
From this we see what the options look like for existing users on Perpetual licenses looking to buy additional licenses. It is clear that the Archicad Collaborate Subscriptions are good value options in this cases. New users can only take Collaborate Subscription, so no difference for them.
Where it gets tricky is for existing Perpetual license holders considering to convert their Perpetual licenses to the subscription model.
> Any chance we can get some answers?
I believe these (and others raised here) are real concerns that could impact our practices directly, concerns that can not responsibly be ignored by anyone in professional practice (let alone legal liabilities we face with clients & our professional bodies).
Everything considered, change is unavoidable in innovation (yes) and the unknown can be scary (for sure), but I can see the value in these changes on Graphisoft's side & us (the user's) side in the long term. Yes, we have choices and for some it will be more difficult than for others. It will be a real sad day for anyone to have to leave the Graphisoft & Archicad community by whatever factor, a community we are proud to be members of. As long as Graphisoft have answers and can assist users to transition (accepting the change) in a way that works for both them & us, it will all work out in the end.
2024-04-18 11:23 AM
Thanks for your detail pricing study.
My case is more or less your first case. I am on SSA with perpetual license, not needing BIMx pro & BIMcloud (pro) and BIMCloud SaaS.
On my local store, the comparable option is Archicad Subscription which is the same price as Archicad Collaborate. Either option, as of today’s pricing, the money that will leave my bank to GS starting 3 years from now, will be around 3 times of what I would pay for SSA. Also, I don’t have the option to pay for more than 1 year subscription in my local store to get some discounts.
Of course, with 3 times the cost, i get BIMx pro & BIMcloud SaaS, which is not too bad. But I no longer have the cheaper option just getting archicad license.
2024-04-18 11:35 AM
@Scraptrash wrote:
Either option, as of today’s pricing, the money that will leave my bank to GS starting 3 years from now, will be around 3 times of what I would pay for SSA.
No it wont.
That price is for a new license, you already have yours.
You will still be paying the current SSA after 3 years (of course with "cost of living" increases to the fees).
You will not need to pay the subscription price for Collaboration package or Archicad itself.
You will continue to pay the lesser SSA fees.
Barry.
2024-04-19 08:49 AM
Shift to a subscription model - your questions are welcome
...but we don't have all the answers and never will.
So it seems. Or will we get more clarification and when?
| Archicad 4.55 - 27
| HP Z840 | 2× E5-2643 v4 | 64 GB RAM | Quadro M5000 | Windows 10 Pro x64
| HP Z4 G4 | W-2245 | 64 GB RAM | RTX A4000 | Windows 11
2024-04-23 08:52 PM - edited 2024-04-23 08:53 PM
@Miha_M wrote:
Shift to a subscription model - your questions are welcome
...but we don't have all the answers and never will.
So it seems. Or will we get more clarification and when?
It's almost like it was a bad idea to go the FAQ route after promising to have answers avaliable from your "experts" for any questions that people might have.
Especially given that an FAQ can't anticipate the diversity of questions that need responses from people nor respond to follow-up questions
Either that, or it was in bad taste over something so critical and vital concerning people's financial states of well-being as pertains to their firms and professional futures.
Anywho, it could have been worse,.....
It could have been the weekend and you might have gotten a lecture about not interrupting them from enjoying their weekend.
@Miha_M wrote:
Shift to a subscription model - your questions are welcome
...but we don't have all the answers and never will.
So it seems. Or will we get more clarification and when?
2024-04-19 10:47 PM
I think customers should be asked to vote on this issue: Do you want to eliminate perpetual licenses and go to subscription only or would you prefer Graphisoft keep offering perpetual licenses along side of subscriptions so that customers can choose for themselves which option they would prefer for buying Archicad software.