Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

[Anonymous]

Hello,

I have checked the available documentation and can't seem to find where one may set a window and/or door frame depth to match a wall depth. This command or setting was mentioned in another topic on this forum.

Thanks,

Mark Hendricks

[Karl Ottenstein]

Mark wrote:
Would I talk to Graphisoft support to find this out? I'm not sure if this library was created by third party or?

This library is from GS and is the update/replacement for the standard library.

Definitely consider contacting GS US support with questions. But, we might be able to help you more here if your question were more specific: which window/door doesn't work for you - and perhaps a screenshot of what is showing up wrong in plan? (My frame depths match my wall depths out of the box on the doors and windows I've tried from SE9.)

Cheers,
Karl

[Anonymous]

Tom wrote:
I'm sure there must be a setting for frame = thickness...

One would think so, but I haven't found it either. I assume that it is not available for wood doors (it's there as a check box for D1 Metal). This is a major pain and really should be added. I assume that there are some complications making it work in all circumstances (ie various wall types & geometries, trim conditions, etc.)

[Anonymous]

Karl wrote:
My frame depths match my wall depths out of the box on the doors and windows I've tried from SE9.

Which doors have you tried? I can't find any setting for it in any of the wood doors. It also appears to be off by default in the metal doors. I am wondering how yours have been working "out of the box".

[Anonymous]

For those with Door and Window Builder add-on, if you set frame thickness to 0 it will match wall thckness.

[Anonymous]

s2art wrote:
For those with Door and Window Builder add-on, if you set frame thickness to 0 it will match wall thckness.

This is a common approach, but is not used in the SE library. As a GDL programmer I prefer the check box. Resetting the parameter to 0 is sooo 90's.

[Anonymous]

Specific to D&WB though, slightly off original question, but related.

[Anonymous]

Attached is a screen shot of two D.H. windows in a 12" thick wall.

#1. I placed by using the default frame depth right out of the box. The frame is 4.5". An extension jamb is added automatically but, the frame does not mathe the wall thickness.

#2. I manually changed the frame depth to 12" prior to placing in the wall. This matches the wll thickness.

I have noticed other anomilies as well, such as: changing the construction method from edge to reveal and then back again. If you do this. the brick moulding automatically offsets in the opposite direction when going from edge to reveal then won't correct upon changing back to edge. I do 90% remodel/renovation design which does make a difference when going from as-built to new.

Thanks,

Mark Hendricks

[Karl Ottenstein]

Mark wrote:
Attached is a screen shot of two D.H. windows in a 12" thick wall.

Mark: what is the exact name of the window object (library part name)?

[Anonymous]

Karl,

W Double Hung SE9

Thanks,

Mark

[Seiss Wagner]

This thread is similar to my comment last week when I posted that I was unable to make a drywall return using the SE9 window library. If you reduce the widow frame width to less then the wall width then a jamb extension is automatically applied to the jamb frame. Setting the jamb extension to zero, "a sooo reto 90's workaround", causes ArchiCAD to crash; the solution is .001. This, however, only minimizes the jamb extension, it does not eliminate it.

This seems strange to me as the SE9 library was billed as a USA library. A drywall jamb return with a wood sill and apron is probably the most common interior window finish used in USA production housing. In my custom work, many clients like 5/8" drywall with a 2" bullnose return used in combination with a 2x6 exterior wood stud wall. I can't do that with with the SE9 library.

My question is this: why doesn't Graphisoft hire USA consultants to design USA libraries? I am not being sarcastic here, have you ever look through the objects library, half the crap in it I have never seen, and half the window objects are not in any USA catalog I have ever used. My advice to Graphisoft, just call up an Anderson window rep, get a catalog, and copy it. You will have 99% of all USA window configurations in your hands. It's really not that hard to do, a no brainer, if you just try.