ArchiCAD 11

[Anonymous]

ArchiCAD 11 will come soon (as much as I suspect..)
What can AC 11 do better than AC10?

[Anonymous]

Richard wrote:
How about the potential reduction in coordination errors? Having the detail references more "live" means less chance that a builder will be referred to the wrong detail. That's got to be worth something. (Don't ask me how I know. )

Yes and those that choose to stay with the current "Working" copy of AC10, will recieve a refund check every quarter to help pay for the work to fix the problems when the builder will be referred to the wrong detail.

[Anonymous]

Hi Tom,
I was very interested to read your posts regarding ArchiCAD pricing et al.
I looked into it here in Australia and for what it is worth, here is a quick summary (approx):

ArchiCAD seats: A$6-9,000 Varies with number of seats
Revit seats: A$8,500 No volume discount

Subscription/year:
In the region of A$1000, but ArchiCAD is cheaper here by approx A$100.



Half our office is using ArchiCAD, the rest AutoCAD. I did a quick look at moving us all to one platform, hence the look at figures.
As for the merits of the different software, I'll leave that for another post in the appropriate forum.



Regarding ArchiCAD 11, I concur that it is a minor upgrade, and difficult to justify, but the 'arguement' I use with management here (same for Revit too) goes like this:
-Graphisoft charge for every 'step' upgrade you make. Even if you skip an upgrade, you must pay for the missed 'steps' when you eventually upgrade.
(-Interestingly Graphisoft don't, but some vendors (Autodesk) end-of-life old versions, so that you cannot upgrade them. I suspect with very old versions you end up paying for a new lisence anyhow).
Basically I see this structure as an enforced subscription. Unless you have a cashflow problem, it is clearly better to get use out of something you 'will end up' paying for!
Doesn't make it any easier though....

and we haven't even started talking about add-ons.....

[Aaron Bourgoin]

For what its worth, I sold an upgrade to 10 to a client running version 4.55 this last year. No questions asked. The cost was the same as someone upgrading to version 10 from version 8.1

The licenses are definitely not ever retired.

[Anonymous]

This is the first subscription era upgrade.
Although its minor i think its in the correct direction.
Archicad lacks alot of basic functionality and i think going in a yearly loop will somehow increase the rate of additions.

For example we are told he have a new layermanagement tool. Thats great.
The worksheet tool is very handy because not everyone we cooperate uses archicad.

Ofcourse the price/upgradevalue is not that great.

I hope v12 next year will address many issues (realtionships, material handling....etc)

[Anonymous]

oreopoulos wrote:
This is the first subscription era upgrade.
Although its minor i think its in the correct direction.
Archicad lacks alot of basic functionality and i think going in a yearly loop will somehow increase the rate of additions.

For example we are told he have a new layermanagement tool. Thats great.
The worksheet tool is very handy because not everyone we cooperate uses archicad.

Ofcourse the price/upgradevalue is not that great.

I hope v12 next year will address many issues (realtionships, material handling....etc)

Thats also what I think.
I think its better to take time to learn further with AC10 and to develope the skill with many new functions.
And the next step to AC 12! (or AC XP or such like thing)

[Rakela Raul]

i think, we should have a poll not about wishes but about software features we dont use. ..and remove them from software for good...make soft cleaner and straight forward and re-gain the title of the friendliest arch software.
that should help to reduce bugs at least!!

[Rod Jurich]

Rakela wrote:
/.....make soft cleaner and straight forward and re-gain the title of the friendliest arch software.
that should help to reduce bugs at least!!

At last a feet on the ground suggestion

[Anonymous]

TomWaltz wrote:
On another note, senior management flipped over the idea of having to pay ~$25K a year just to keep our CAD software current.

Did senior management flipped over the increased prices of gas, electric or anything else? With 30 or so seats the upgrade cost will alway be pricey. When company grows, costs grows. Suddenly just paper costs thousands. Think how much big companies have to pay. I would also assume that with that much licenses you could negotiate price for subscriptions. Especially having Revit gun in your hand.

[TomWaltz]

Miki wrote:

TomWaltz wrote:
On another note, senior management flipped over the idea of having to pay ~$25K a year just to keep our CAD software current.

Did senior management flipped over the increased prices of gas, electric or anything else?

There's a small difference. You can stop paying for CAD and keep using the current version. If you stop paying utilities, they stop working at all.

There has to be a reason to spend that $25K other than just "it's new and cool!" There has to be a justifiable benefit. With AC10, it was not that hard. There was a LOT to base the decision on. With AC11, there's some stuff in there that I really like and would like to have, but cannot justify that much expense to get it.

Software upgrades are something that require a return on investment.

[TomWaltz]

Rakela wrote:
i think, we should have a poll not about wishes but about software features we dont use. ..and remove them from software for good...make soft cleaner and straight forward and re-gain the title of the friendliest arch software.
that should help to reduce bugs at least!!

What features did you have in mind? And what about the people who actually do use those features?