ArchiCAD is such a pain after AutoCAD!
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‎2006-07-25 01:55 PM
Why anyone would actually choose to use this program over AutoCAD is beyond me especially as drawing 3d architecture is just plain ridiculous IMO!!
I mean does anyone here actually draw architecture in 3d? Because I find the 3d library so limiting in terms of my design wishes. What do I do if I want a certain glass staircase or somethign else that isnt in the library? Surely not design a new 3d model of it!?
And how can you draw a site using different levels, manholes, car spaces, drives etc all at different levels in 3d?
This whole fascination with 3d in architectrure really loses me - I just dont see the point in it and it definitely limits your design ability to waht is in the software.
Give me AutoCAD anytime!!
Anyone with any argument for using it? Please only respond if you are someone who isnt just doing houses or venacular buildings but 'proper' architecture!
Nats

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‎2006-07-27 02:57 PM
Perhaps if many people here had used drawing boards as architects they might agree.im from that era and wouldnt go back to that....
btw, liking the quick image generation in archicad is just the beginning, after this stage you will realize that the plans production in ac is much more powerful than you see it now and the image production will not be the main thing of ac for you anymore.... you are on the rt track !!!
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‎2006-07-27 03:22 PM
nats wrote:I drafted manually and I don't agree. I enjoyed it at the time but would not go back to it.
Personally I would prefer to go back to drawing boards they were far more pleasant to use than CAD anyway! I dont think that makes me a dinosaur. Perhaps if many people here had used drawing boards as architects they might agree.
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‎2006-07-27 03:27 PM
nats wrote:No, no.Philippe wrote:??Why is stating that a firm does churches to be considered snobbish?
Just kidding but you sounds pretty snobbish.
Nats
On the other hand, your requirement to get exclusively answers of people making "proper" architecture sounded snobbish
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‎2006-07-27 03:34 PM

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‎2006-07-27 07:24 PM
Given the choice between believing the timeline given by Autodesk and Graphisoft or the "wisdom" of Nat's insight, I choose A and GS.
It might just be that Nats is one of those unfortunate few who are too entrenched in the glory of their former skill set that they dig in their heels, refuse to give adequate effort and will silently slip away, buried under the onrush of the 21st century.
Too bad Nats. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

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‎2006-07-27 07:59 PM
You never get a second chance to make a first impression.wow !!!!!
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‎2006-07-27 09:30 PM
gbley wrote:I strongly second this. Not that you couldn't find out how things were built before.
it allows me to have intelligent conversations with contractors who by the way I have learned a great amount from and because of that capability

*Hint: They don't draw a line. And not that AC perfectly reflects reality, but that is where you start.

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‎2006-07-27 10:35 PM
Geoff Briggs
I & I Design, Seattle, USA
AC7-28, M1 Mac, OS 15.x
Graphisoft Insider's Panel, Beta Tester

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‎2006-07-27 10:43 PM
James wrote:Agreed. To illustrate, I just finished the structure of this house:
I strongly second this. Not that you couldn't find out how things were built before.But it's axiomatic that when you're asking 'how do I do this in AC', you need to ask first, 'how do they do it in real life?'* And you need to find out. AC (BIM, whatever) lets you use this knowledge in from design development onward, and it gives a lot of leverage IMO.
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‎2006-07-28 12:30 AM
nats wrote:I'm obviously not an architect! But I could make that window in less than ten minutes without a script. Given a little more time I could make that window with a script which could be used over and over and be re-sized with all edges sloping at any angle. But that's not the point.
Ive just been trying to create a window with sloping jambs which has different angled jambs on both sidesNats
The point is that when you learned to draw you had to learn how to use a pencil or pen in a particular way, the relationship of the nib to your straight edge, rolling your pencil so you don't get a flat spot etc. Then you went to Autocad and had to learn the tools which replaced your straight edge your french curves and so on. Now you've moved to ArchiCAD (perhaps involuntarily) and you post a message that says "ArchiCAD is such a pain after AutoCAD!".
We're here to help, we like ArchiCAD and we like others to be able to enjoy it too. If you ned help say "Help." Don't tell us that ArchiCAD is rubbish and tell us that the notion that we might actually do what you think is going to be impossible for another ten years is ridiculous.
If you want to say that ArchiCAD is crap you're in the wrong forum, we won't believ you, go to the Autocad forum, they'll believe you.
If you want to know how to make a funky window that apperas automatically in all your plans elevations and sections without a script you can ask me nicely.