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Archicad 10 is announced

Greg Kmethy
Graphisoft Alumni
Graphisoft Alumni
Dear Talkers,

You can read Graphisoft's announcement on Archicad 10 here:
http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac10/
Gergely Kmethy
VP, Customer Success, Graphisoft
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Petros Ioannou
Booster
The issue of curved profiles stroke me!
I don't see why Gehry's buildings were introduced in our discussion.

A very simple question for the one's that tested 10:
You have a semi-circular wall in your plan and you want to add a cornice to that wall, which steps do you follow with 10?

Up to 9 you can use the profiler addon, is it at least included in 10 ?

Thanks
Petros

PS. Please don't tell me about extra addons, I am aware of them. I am referring to an "out of the box" AC10 comparing to AC9.
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gpowless
Advocate
Having read the "new features" and watched the demonstration, I must say that I am not impressed with Archicad 10. While wall profiles seems to have been given major attention, it appears that not much else has changed. This upgrade seems to have features that are only attractive to about 1% of the users while the other 99% who have offered suggestions for improvements over the last 18 months have been all but ignored. It is the wrong direction at the wrong time, given that Revit has come up from behind to provide serious competition.

I guess for this 6 year Archicad user it is time to start looking at Revit or Softplan as an alternative. I can't see myself wasting more money and energy on innovative but useless upgrades, while my competition becomes more efficient and effective through their software upgrades.

I've seen this kind of "innovation" before. It was driven by programmers while completely ignoring the needs of the users.
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Anonymous
Not applicable
The new possibilities of plan's representation of cut (and not cut) element (not only wall, AFAIK) are a major improvement for 100 % of real architects who draw real plans of real buildings.
Does anybody know a program that allows representing correctly the attic of a building in a simpler way than this one will do? I don't.
Just one point I am able to understand on base of the presentation. For the rest, I'll wait to test before to whine with the crowd.
gpowless
Advocate
It is only the occasional building with canted or curved walls where flexible floor plan cuts come into play. The rest of the time most of us can get by with the standard floor plan views.

The reality is that we need to produce construction drawings as the meat and potatoes of our business. Right now design represents about 30% of my time while detailing and printing represent about 70%. I say we Graphisoft needs to work on productivity improvements in a similar proportion to the design improvements.

Has anyone considered the time that will be necessary to document those fancy wall profiles in 2d drawings? I understand that being able to produce such beautiful concepts is a bonus but I would also suggest that documenting may very well be another nightmare to communicate and construct.
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Scott Bulmer
Booster
gpowless wrote:
If there is a list of all the changes it would help to get right into the enhancements instead of 8 months later discovering that there is an easier way to do the same thing.

http://www.designintegrations.com/files/ArchiCAD10/newfeatures10.pdf
Is there a way to get a version of this document that can be printed (other than screen captures)? I have a lot of waiting time at a track meet today and don't have a functioning laptop.
Thanks,
Scott
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gpowless wrote:
It is only the occasional building with canted or curved walls where flexible floor plan cuts come into play. The rest of the time most of us can get by with the standard floor plan views.

The reality is that we need to produce construction drawings as the meat and potatoes of our business. Right now design represents about 30% of my time while detailing and printing represent about 70%. I say we Graphisoft needs to work on productivity improvements in a similar proportion to the design improvements.

Has anyone considered the time that will be necessary to document those fancy wall profiles in 2d drawings? I understand that being able to produce such beautiful concepts is a bonus but I would also suggest that documenting may very well be another nightmare to communicate and construct.
Who's talking about "fancy" wall profiles and "beautiful concepts? I'm asking about basic day-to-day details like Cornices, Mouldings, Handrails, Roof faschia board treatments, that may happen to occur at parts of the building that curve like BAYS, BALCONIES, or, oh I don't know, CURVED walls? Or we not allowed to design those with ArchiCAD in our buildings? I ask aquestion about a feature that was already in ArchiCAD 9.0 ( it's called Profiler in your goodies add-on folder) which just happened not to work very well at the above mentioned situations, and suddenly everybody goes into defensive mode claiming that no one wants to design Frank Gehry buildings. I'm not asking about designing Frank Gehry-type buildings! I'm asking about designing and documenting features and parts of buildings I work on everyday, and which up till this point ( and for the forseeable future it seems) I've had to rely on clunky work-arounds. Yes, the 3ds importer is fine, but considering the fact that it crashes the program when you import large objects, it's not very useful beyond a certain level. Maxonform is good, but do we really have to essentially learn another program (C4D) to get stuff done in ArchiCAD that ought to be basic functionality? I guess that would be in keeping with GS philosphy of having the users acquire completely new skills (GDL scripting and programming, anyone?) which are at the same time completely unrelated to architecture just to get our basic day-to-day stuff done.

gpowless wrote:
It is only the occasional building with canted or curved walls where flexible floor plan cuts come into play. The rest of the time most of us can get by with the standard floor plan views.

If YOU don't need certain functions to work or work well for you because it doesn't affect your day-to-day work, then congratulations for you, you must be pleased as Punch. But just because "most of us can get by with the standard floor plan views", as you put it, doesn't mean that the rest of us who have come to expect GS to improve on their modelling tools ( because they said they would, no less) should be expected to put up and shut up when they don't deliver and it affects OUR work.

So enjoy your ArchiCAD 10, as it obviously seems to address all your design and daily needs, but don't presume to speak for me, or others who may happen to believe GS when they say they are committed to improving their modelling tools, and not rely so much on add-ons and plugins (like Maxonform or ArchiForma) with future releases, when we happen to ask GS what happened with requested improvements that they said were forthcoming.
David Pacifico
Booster
Petros wrote:
You have a semi-circular wall in your plan and you want to add a cornice to that wall, which steps do you follow with 10?
Up to 9 you can use the profiler addon, is it at least included in 10 ?
You would do it the same way.
David Pacifico, RA

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David Pacifico
Booster
gpowless wrote:
This upgrade seems to have features that are only attractive to about 1% of the users while the other 99% who have offered suggestions for improvements over the last 18 months have been all but ignored. It is the wrong direction at the wrong time, given that Revit has come up from behind to provide serious competition.

I've seen this kind of "innovation" before. It was driven by programmers while completely ignoring the needs of the users.


You'll have to judge it when you try it. If you don't find the feature that you where hoping for then, you may not be happy. I know some of the useability stuff will touch every user. The simple fact that you won't have to type Shift-R every time you draw something or the fact you will get a reference line that your curser can detect that will allow you to draw with one hand is nice. I actually think GS trying to hear better than ever before. but again you will have to judge for your-self.

New users will definatly be able to pick-up and use the software quicker that they did before.
David Pacifico, RA

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Petros Ioannou
Booster
David wrote:
Petros wrote:
You have a semi-circular wall in your plan and you want to add a cornice to that wall, which steps do you follow with 10?
Up to 9 you can use the profiler addon, is it at least included in 10 ?
You would do it the same way.
Thanks David,
So, someone will start to develop profiles for his walls on a project and by the time he has to draw a curved wall, he will need to redefine his profiles and paths for that specific wall using the old profiler?
Very weird!
Is there an official answer for not giving this profile ability to curved walls? I am sure someone from the beta testers asked that on the forums...
As enthuse I was when I first heard for the profiled walls, I am now left with a sense that something is incomplete....

Petros

PS I assume that beams still cannot be curved , right?
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David wrote:
Petros wrote:
You have a semi-circular wall in your plan and you want to add a cornice to that wall, which steps do you follow with 10?
Up to 9 you can use the profiler addon, is it at least included in 10 ?
You would do it the same way.
Does this mean that it (the Profiler add-on) still draws profiles curved in plan as a series of segmented straight sections, or have they improved it to actualy draw curves, as one wants?