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2010-05-10 05:56 PM
2010-05-11 07:41 AM
Krippahl wrote:......says the reseller.owen wrote:I agree with that 100%.
AC13 and now 14 have focused on collaboration, and as these videos show AC14 is particularly focused on improving collaboration with consultants - i.e Revit Structure/MEP.
They had to do this ... their future depends on it.
Revit is a tidal wave threatening to decimate ArchiCAD - not because Revit Architecture is better (it is not .. yet) but because when you are fighting to work with a consultant team who are on Revit Structure/MEP/.. then it is very tempting to make your life easier and switch to a closer platform. Then throw in a contractor using Revit and the sole team member not on the same platform as everyone else comes under enormous pressure to demonstrate that their software is not causing problems for everyone else.
So Graphisoft are quite rightly heavily focused at the moment on making sure ArchiCAD can work the best it can with Revit. At least it shows they are not sticking their head in the sand on this one. Now if only their marketing team can make sure people hear about the effectiveness of these collaboration tools.
If they do not do this then ArchiCAD will not be around for much longer, so all those fancy new tools we want/need will be pointless.
I can understand many people will see absolutely nothing for them in AC14, but these things are critical for larger customers. As we have seen in recent posts - and from personal experiences for many of us - there are big ArchiCAD users seriously considering moving to Revit because of collaboration issues.
That is the real threat to ArchiCAD's future ... not a better stair tool (as much as I want it).
Unfortunately those Autodesk shills cry louder here.
2010-05-11 07:44 AM
Bricklyne wrote:Sorry, wrong again. Am not, never was.
......says the reseller.
no conflict of interest here. None whatsoever.
2010-05-11 07:53 AM
Krippahl wrote:No of course not, you've only worked with them and for them.Bricklyne wrote:Sorry, wrong again. Am not, never was.
......says the reseller.
no conflict of interest here. None whatsoever.
2010-05-11 08:27 AM
Krippahl wrote:Have you watched the videos? I still like AC, and feel it's a great tool for what I do (Architecture) - but seriously, there's got to be a better way to send the inter operability message than to show off the smooth operation of those parametric duct work and the snapping of structural members to make changes so easy in Revit. Don't you think that the people will be more impressed with that than this so called archicad's new feature of being able to export to Revit? Whatever the need, the intention, the end result is an utter failure. They better reconsider the videos and the whole "New Features" presentation in my opinion.
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Unfortunately those Autodesk shills cry louder here.
2010-05-11 08:42 AM
2010-05-11 09:07 AM
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2010-05-11 09:54 AM
rwallis wrote:Look i agree with most of what you (both) are saying too .. it shouldn't be an 'either/or' choice but unfortunately that seems to be the case - I guess they just don't have enough resources, or they do but those resources are working on things destined for 15.
I have to agree with your post, Clarence.
May I also speculate that single users who were disenfranchised with 13 and the lack on extra features (for them) will feel totally jilted this time round.
Owen I think the problem for GS is that they need to be doing "both/and" not just "either/or"...if you get my drift.AC is so seriously behind in so many areas they cannot afford to just look at interoperability...
2010-05-11 10:23 AM
Bricklyne wrote:They are illustrating how ArchiCAD can collaborate with the software that nearly every other Engineer (Structural/Services) and Contractor will be using before long.
so people are so pissed off and wondering why GS is having to or resorting to indirectly market Autodesk products in the promotional videos of their new product, because that will somehow harm their "shilling" efforts for Autodesk (???)
2010-05-11 10:52 AM
owen wrote:
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I remember when someone from GS came to our office years back and explained that at one version (think it was 7 .. please correct anyone with a better memory than I) they split their development team for the next 2 versions - i.e AC9 development was not developed following AC8 but inparallelin order to deliver features that could not be achieved within a 12-month schedule.
owen wrote:Oh yes, the old 'under-the-hood improvements deal.
So it would not be without precedent that AC development was forked resulting in an intermediate release which is less than compelling feature wise.
Major work has been done under the hood in AC13 and is probably continuing in AC14 (e.g they need to rewrite significant portions of code for OSX 64bit).
owen wrote:Actually they did do the whole 'No new Features' version back in version 9 even though that was really more as a means to stabilizing the program and its development after the mess that was ArchiCAD 8.0 and the 8.1 that they had to release to correct it. But even then the idea was that future versions could have a firm foundation from which to have new features and a more stable gradual improvement. And to be fair, version 10 right after that did have quite a number of new features. Quite a number of half-baked ones as well (Complex profiler that didn't do curves springs to mind) but new ones nonetheless.
I've always said maybe they need to have 1 'No New Features' release to really get the engine sorted without the distractions of new features. Maybe AC14 is it.
owen wrote:
OK .. but it better mean we start seeing really impressive new features in AC15 - stuff they couldn't do before because of limitations in the code and hardware.
I guess we have to wait another 12 months to find out ..