Archicad 25

[Narska]

Where can I find a list of what new goodies we can expect in the next version of archicad?

[Bricklyne Clarence]

kittonian wrote:
I'm not going to parrot all the other people saying how lackluster this update is, but I have to say that after playing around with it for two days now, it's just frustratingly awful.......

So,..it's underwhelming.. ...AND buggy.
Nice.
So lovely to hear.

/s

kittonian wrote:
Buy CI and integrate all of their tools, especially cabinets and electrical (no, the new cabinet tool is not sufficient to replace CI)
Make stairs and railings a lot more user friendly. Sure, I get what I need (eventually) but it's time consuming and a serious hassle

And while they're at it, they might as well just buy out the 3DMD Rail tool guy's library or just outright hire him to take over their rail tool dossier.
They're so much more intuitive to use and vastly more extensive (And less of a headache to adjust) than the new built-in rail tool.

It's a pity that it seems like he was forced to stopped developing it a couple of versions ago when GS released the version with their own new railing tool (circa ver. 21?)

Why it is that 3rd party plugin developers can make tools that are easier and more intuitive to use than the guys with the entire company's R&D and software development budget, is beyond me.

kittonian wrote:
...I could go on and on, but you get the point. AC is supposedly designed by architects for architects, or at least that was the slogan years ago. Not sure what has happened over the last few years, but it seems it's more about taking people's money and doing the least amount possible, rather than putting out serious software for professionals.

Again, these are my findings after less than two full days of use. How this got through beta is astonishing.

With an airtight iron-clad NDA, I would imagine.
I reckon that's a big part of the problem here.

We know now that beta testers don't have much say or sway in the testing process to actually voice their opinions, or if they do, they likely go the same way that any of our opinions here go.

[Podolsky]

This thread turned into bazaar of unsatisfied people. More and more. It's getting more and more boring to read. Maybe ArchiCAD 25 is not so bad version, as bad this thread is turning in. Maybe it worth to start another thread called 'positive reviews of version 25'?

[jl_lt]

Richard wrote:


On a positive note, I won't have to change my workflow for AC25 or learn any new commands!

thats the attitude!

truth be told, and as i said before, i really dont need new features for the work we do today; any new thing is icing on the cake. Sure, everone have different needs, and yes, many things can be better, but Archicad with its limitations is still far better than what the rest offer. Or so i like to think.

But the other companies are working. HARD. Even Autodesk. Im not saying graphisoft is not working, but their efforts seem diluted and unfocused at best, thats clear now. i think all the negative rants here are not so much about lack of new features per se but about the uncertainity for consolidation and medium term survival of the software everyone here loves. Graphisoft needs to get their act together now.

i have said many times before and sometimes have been dismissed, but i will still insist: we as users, need to somehow distill, prioritize, and stablish a clear vision of what we want and most importantly, let it be known, LOUDLY, in a more formal way than the wishlist. If we dont do this, in a few years instead of wishing for a better wall tool we might be left wishing for Archicad to still exist.

[jl_lt]

Podolsky wrote:
This thread turned into bazaar of unsatisfied people. More and more. It's getting more and more boring to read. Maybe ArchiCAD 25 is not so bad version, as bad this thread is turning in. Maybe it worth to start another thread called 'positive reviews of version 25'?

now it would be fun to see how many reviews that thread gets

[Sam Wheatley]

Richard wrote:
This was one of the most underwhelming upgrades I've encountered from Graphisoft in the past 25 years. For a sole-practitioner architect, I can find very little of benefit. Structural analytical models do not benefit me, nor do purported improvements to interoperability with Revit. Other features are uncompleted, half-baked, or not even worth being mentioned as a Version "feature." ("New Along Chord stair construction geometry method" as a primary marketed improvement of stairs? Really?) Maybe this is all required to remove Revit-objections to buying Archicad; I don't know.

The one feature that might have had some benefit is the rework of the kitchen cabinets. But there aren't even as many cabinet door panel options as there were in the last version, and the ones that are there are just weird. (I've never seen a 3 or 4-panel cabinet door in the real world.) Fortunately, the Ci Tools cabinet tool can fill in. Oh, wait, it can't because it isn't even available for AC25. Nor is the Twinmotion Direct Link. There seems to have been very little concern that primary 3rd party add-ons were keeping up development in time for the new release.

On a positive note, I won't have to change my workflow for AC25 or learn any new commands!

I responded to this yesterday, but me bad I must have done something wrong, and it wasn't posted.
I also feel this is if not the worst releases ever, very close to it. I can not put a positive spin on this. Agreed best part is the kitchen cabinets. I use CI Door and Window Builder, because the AC ones out of the box are so poor. Even though I have both paid for ArchiCad and Cadimage tools, they don't work yet with AC25. I was told they won't be available until the first AC25 patch(who knows when that will be). So for me AC25 is worthless.

[henryL]

jl_lt wrote:
i have said many times before and sometimes have been dismissed, but i will still insist: we as users, need to somehow distill, prioritize, and stablish a clear vision of what we want and most importantly, let it be known, LOUDLY, in a more formal way than the wishlist. If we dont do this, in a few years instead of wishing for a better wall tool we might be left wishing for Archicad to still exist.

Totally agree with you jl_lt.
We really love archicad, our architectural design software, and we are all lamenting and ranting here, but that's not the right attitude.
Revit user wrote an open letter to Autodesk and a web site https://letters-to-autodesk.com/. I suggest to do the same.
As jl_lt said we have to send a more formal message to Graphisoft and Nemetschek.
Are we going to do it?
How do we organize ourself ?
How do we choose our main needs?
Who has the skills and time to write the letter?
Who has the skills and time to build up a site?
Who can spread the initiative to bigger firms?

[Podolsky]

henryL wrote:
Totally agree with you jl_lt.
We really love archicad, our architectural design software, and we are all lamenting and ranting here, but that's not the right attitude.
Revit user wrote an open letter to Autodesk and a web site https://letters-to-autodesk.com/. I suggest to do the same.
As jl_lt said we have to send a more formal message to Graphisoft and Nemetschek.
Are we going to do it?
How do we organize ourself ?
How do we choose our main needs?
Who has the skills and time to write the letter?
Who has the skills and time to build up a site?
Who can spread the initiative to bigger firms?

Maybe it worth at first to open just new tread on this forum with open letter to Graphisoft? Don't be bothered of thinking building web-site for that. As about initiative - very simple - anyone, who it is thinking - if not me, then who will do it - can take an initiative to do something. Rest - who are waiting until someone else will do it - most likely able only to complain and make unnecessary noise.
Lets take this unsuccessful version for better future - try to establish better communication between users wishes and developers vision, get better responds from Headquarter (for example why nobody from Headquarter jointed this discussion providing some details, answering questions about development; why mostly we have to guess what is going on or what is going to happen?).
So, lets not fall all together into rabbit hole of total negativity, showing to the whole world that ArchiCAD users are turning into Prozac generation. Revit users will laugh on us.

[mikas]

I would pay our monthly/yearly euros of SSA licence for our 9 pieces of AC software happily only for getting better stability and better speed. New faetures can come when they are ready, not necessarily yearly at all.

Downloaded the AC25 software as a tryout version, but as usual, fully working FIN version coming a little late. The language barrier it is. This time it's gonna be a lot quicker FIN-launch than what those the latest years have been, so a big Thank You to our local distributor and co-partner.

[Podolsky]

Shall I start drafting Open letter to Graphisoft / Nemetschek? I've got what to say. If someone is answering 'yes' - then I do. Otherwise I can't be bothered anymore.

[jl_lt]

me sez, lets rock!

i think the main obstacle is how do find consensus between users that want ArchiCAD to become a parametric nurbs modeller and users that just need better cabinet and dimensioning tools. both noble goals, but one more feasible than the other