Composite Wall Corner issues

[Anonymous]

Please see the attached image. It should be clear what my question is. How do I do it? In the image, I have manually drawn in the lines and fills. It looks terrible in 3D.

#1 - Is this possible?
#2 - How?

[Anonymous]

ya know ---- on this same note - having the ability to drop the stone vaneer (or brick or siding or whatever) down to the concrete (or to wherever I want) in a section cut would be nice too. See attached.

This would look spiffy in 3D and in Sections.

I believe Revit does this. (No, I'm not considering switching) :]

I realize that we could do this with multiple composites or walls, but I can do it in 2D too - but my goal is to leave the dark ages behind and move into the world of BIM where you just model the whole thing in 3D and then output because it is all put together correctly.

[__archiben]

we posted at the same time. look through the thread for my last suggestion . . .

sirduncan wrote:
but my goal is to leave the dark ages behind and move into the world of BIM where you just model the whole thing in 3D and then output because it is all put together correctly.

refer: louis armstrong . . .

cheers
~/archiben

[Anonymous]

"have you thought about butting the stucco wall into the brick wall rather than them meeting exactly"

Yes, I have tried this. I have tried connecting them with every way I can think of. In 2D it never looks even close - in 3D its nearly as bad. The problem is that the stud framing is wood, and therefore, if you don't miter the corner completely, that wood color shows through on the corner. Not good.

What really needs to happen is to make the composite walls actual 3D composite walls. Make each composite adjustable - seperate materials, fills, etc. Then make each composite act seperately while still being connected to the whole wall composite. That way, you could extend the brick or stone vaneer past the end of the stud framing, or you could drop the brick vaneer and wall sheeting down past where the 'zero plane' is considered for the stud wall. This would also be great for interior basement walls. The concrete extends down to the footing, but the stud framing starts at the concrete floor slab. Same idea. And only about a million other points in the building construction process that this would become nearly pertinent.

I was hoping the 'Edit-Modify Wall' would do this, but alas - I was mistaken.

Of course - you don't see ME trying to program a 'composite wall programming GUI' do you? :]

[__archiben]

sure. i'm behind you 110%. just trying to suggest how you can try and work around the issue until it is resolved fully into the BIM process . . .

good luck fella!
~/archiben

[Gerald Hoffman]

sirduncan,

You can acheive this dropping down of the veneer with CadImage Accessory add-on. This has always been a wish for me too and I don't think this should have to be an Add-on but for now it is.

Forever buying add-ons

[Anonymous]

Sir Duncan

Would it be worthwhile splitting the wall back from the corner, and having walls representing each skin of the composite (with end lines turned off where appropriate) wrapping around the corners only. This would do away with the window+empty opening situation, and if materials line up o.k. you should not have any extra lines on elevations etc.

Just a thought.

Cheers

[Anonymous]

Gerald wrote:
sirduncan,

You can acheive this dropping down of the veneer with CadImage Accessory add-on. This has always been a wish for me too and I don't think this should have to be an Add-on but for now it is.

i was just about to suggest Cadimage. Is it Wall Builder that you are referring to? I just happen to be working on a basement detail, but i didn't know you could 'slide' composite layers, as you suggest. Do you experience with it?

[Gerald Hoffman]

Lindsay,

They call it the Accessory Pack. It includes surfacing tools for walls, roofs and a footing tool.
To accomplish this with the CadImage wall surfacer you would have to define your initial wall knowing that it can't be adjusted. I don't normally use composites anyway so this is a simple wall which is the structural component. You can then define the cladding which can include an airspace and a cladding type. This part can be offset down in the General settings dialogue area ( the top of the cladding can be offset down from the top of the wall too ).
It is however limited to the airspace and cladding so multiple elements are not be possible. For most purposes other than large scale details I find this works OK.

[Erika Epstein]

Two other options:
1. The wall accessories free with ArchiCAD to get the brick veneer ; it can be inputted to drop down as far as you want.

2. Have the walls on different layers and layer intersection numbers

[Barry Kelly]

Erika wrote:
Two other options:
1. The wall accessories free with ArchiCAD to get the brick veneer ; it can be inputted to drop down as far as you want.

2. Have the walls on different layers and layer intersection numbers

Another option could be a GDL object.
I haven't really thought it out fully but it should be possible to script a part that recognises the number of skins in the composite.
It could then match these skin widths, fill type, pen colour, etc. and place fills in plan that could be individually stretchy with hotspots.
The object would match these with prisms in 3D cutting away the real section of wall where the object is with a wall hole.
It could possible be made as a "wall end" subtype so it could be used with the wall end tool, otherwise it would need to be a door or window subtype.

Anybody handy with a GDL script there is a challenge for you.
I'll have a go myself but has to be in my spare time so don't hold your breath.
Does this sound feasible to any of the GDL-Gurus

Barry.