I have done the check for updates several times, and it says program and library are both up to date. And as to Barrys comment on upgrading, I just have never had these problems moving to a new version. Something in this one just didnt click with me. Everything was wrong. I have to change all the parameters on every window and door, and i havent had to do that before. It seems nothing transferred. Anyway, thanks for input guys. I will give 23 a go when it comes out. Maybe for me anyway, it wont be such a pain to migrate.