Ganging WDW's in AC12

[Anonymous]

Used to in 11 you had the ganging option in the window dialog box with how wide you wanted the ganging to be.

In 12, that ganging selection box is still there but no size of the mull you want. Is it located somewhere else or did they do away with that (hope not)

[Anonymous]

Despite the need, I can't achieve two ganging windows with a single post in between (situation B). I need it on regular basis.

I've tried in AC12 : window frame of 3 cm + spacing at reveal (situation C).
So I get a correct 3D representation but the inner lines in the 2D window frame are absolutely not done!

[Anonymous]

Why didn't you GS add the option "custom window frame width" instead of uniform width? This would help a lot and not too difficult to achieve.... I guess

See picture.

[Anonymous]

Karl, thanks for telling the people at graphisoft about the ganging issue in ac12. I feel a whole lot better.

[Laszlo Nagy]

You can do the same (maybe it will make you feel a bit better ).
You can report it to your dealer (and all users can report them to their respective dealers), and it will get to GS.
Karl reported it.
I also reported it through a different channel.
The more sources they get it from the more probable something will be done about it soon.

[Anonymous]

Hey thanks for pointing that out Laszlo. I didn't know we can report matters like this directly to our dealer.

[Laszlo Nagy]

Yes, that is the standard line of reporting with GS and works pretty well as far as I know. I mean the message or bug report actually gets to GS.

[Anonymous]

The day I discovered it was missing I thought maybe GS just made the option work differently. I spent more time than I should have trying to "fake" it but the window never meshed like it did in AC11 with the ganging option being able to be set by the user.

I came real close in plan but in elevation it looked ok at the bottom and with the casing but the brick soldier course was realllly wonky looking. Not acceptable to pass.

I will pass it on to my reseller too. didn't know that was an avenue to explore either

[Thomas Holm]

Joeri wrote:
Despite the need, I can't achieve two ganging windows with a single post in between (situation B).

I guess I'm the usual moron, but perhaps someone could clarify this to me:

While AC12's behavior might be inconvenient in some cases, I find it more logical and correct than AC11's. If I interprete your request correctly, you (and Karl) are trying to construct one W2 casement window by ganging two W1 casement windows. I find AC12's refusal to remove the joint line quite to the point, if ganging/combining of several windows with individual frames is wanted.

If, on the other hand, this feature (like some seem to do in AC11) is used to construct a multi-sashed window, with one (common) mullion (frame part) between any two sashes (Joeri's situation B), don't we need other parameters instead? Not only a switch to remove the joint line, but also a width parameter for common mullions (which normally differs from the outer frame dimension), and perhaps more, like different dimensions for vertical/horizontal etc.

Seems to me you're actually asking for a Windowmaker! But that's a third-party option today, or you'll have to use the AC11 storefront, or something else.

And, if you just want 2 sashes, why not use the W2 window?

Also I can't see the problem with putting a structural member between two windows. I do that often. Naturally, they're not "ganged" anymore, but you can always group them, etc etc.

Please explain this issue to me!

[Anonymous]

How I used it on a daily basis at the firm I worked in was that some designs called for a skinny mull in between the windows (1") and some thicker (3"-6") depending on what the designer wanted. (residential)

We had several people try to figure out a new way or different way to get the same effect but never could get it to work or mesh as smoothly as the option that was available in AC11. Sometimes we have 4 and 5 ganged windows and may specify that in between each window there be a 3" mull. Before, I just specified that the ganging be 1/2 that width and VIOLA it meshed with no snags what so ever. Brick sills and soldier headers all meshed correctly.

Just don't know why somethign that was so handy, and now that I have posted this, widely used was omitted when it worked like a charm to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Thomas wrote:

...If I interprete your request correctly, you (and Karl) are trying to construct one W2 casement window by ganging two W1 casement windows..., if you just want 2 sashes, why not use the W2 window?

Also I can't see the problem with putting a structural member between two windows...

Thomas,

Of course it's not about the W2 Casement window in particular... The picture shown is just a rough representation. In fact it's about combining whatever window in the AC library with another one to achieve more alternatives. No need for more AC window types. Isn't that what's ganging all about ?

I hope the next image will clarify.
For example, try a window with 4 equal parts and one side-hung...no extra structural member needed.
Daily practice