!Restored: MacPro or Vista for AC!

[Anonymous]

Seriously I need information what kind of hardware is the right way specially for AC.
MacPro with Intel Xeon is cheaper than Dell with Xeon.
That means, Apple workstation is cheaper than Dell workstation.
That means,
Mac OS is cheaper than Vista regarding Workstation.
But,
Apple workstation is more faster and more beautiful and more ...?

AC user wants to know the better hardware.
Graphic card is not so seriously important for architects.

[Anonymous]

Jefferson wrote:

It makes it all moot doesn't it? There's a Mac in your future unless you're going to run XP.........Have these problems NOT popped up for you Velimir?

Only the problem with PDF, other problems I didnt notice... maybe I will soon!!!!

[stefan]

TomWaltz wrote:

Archi wrote:
Is there any reason to buy Window for AC-using?

Maybe you like the gun-metal gray background in Windows instead of free-floating windows & palettes on Mac.

I prefer the docked toolbars and the docked palettes from the Windows version over the floating windows in the Mac version.
In fact, I like my Powerbook very much, but to work in ArchiCAD, I prefer the PC-version by far! Mouse handling, 3D navigation, clean interface...

If I buy another workstation, it will probably still be a PC, but if I buy a new laptop, I prefer a Mac.

And Vista? Just wait for SP1 or SP2. It is a good upgrade to XP, once all the driver issues are over. The EULA and DRM is indeed more restricting, but I don't think MS is so stupid to kill itself commercially. I'll see what the DRM issues are actually effecting. Making digital music needs high-quality, but for custom content, I assume that it doesn't pass through the DRM filters.

[Anonymous]

In the matter of fact AC runs much faster with MacPro than with Window.
It has been tested. It has something to do with Intel Xeon.
My vote goes to Apple.

[Jefferson]

Stephan -

You sound as though you have an inside track on the Vista status............have you been [or are] involved in testing? The service packs you speak of, you believe, or have knowledge of their resolving some of the known AC problems? And now for my "sounding stupid" question, what are ELUA and DRM?

I am on the verge of replacing my notebook/desktop replacement computer and nearly all my printing is done via PDF, so it seems like continuing with XP Pro is the way to go, but this will require some arm twisting while ordering, and and reformat upon arrival. It would be wonderful to avoid all of that...........any inside/relative information would be greatly appreciated.

[stefan]

Jefferson wrote:
Stephan -

You sound as though you have an inside track on the Vista status............have you been [or are] involved in testing? The service packs you speak of, you believe, or have knowledge of their resolving some of the known AC problems? And now for my "sounding stupid" question, what are ELUA and DRM?

I am on the verge of replacing my notebook/desktop replacement computer and nearly all my printing is done via PDF, so it seems like continuing with XP Pro is the way to go, but this will require some arm twisting while ordering, and and reformat upon arrival. It would be wonderful to avoid all of that...........any inside/relative information would be greatly appreciated.

I have no inside info. I have tested the RC1 (release candidate 1) of Vista, where the 64-bit version was able to run ArchiCAD 10, but I had to use the student version, since the WIBU key drivers were not ready. They are now.

EULA = end user license agreement. The Vista EULA has some hidden pitfalls that might become problematic, such as giving the right to Microsoft to disable or add software on your machine.

DRM = digital rights management, which means that severe hardware and software barriers exist to prevent "premium content" (read: copyrighting movies and music) to be exposed to a full digital path. While I generally agree that a certain level of copy protection is required, sending any signal to specific filters and continuously monitoring every digital stream will have serious impact for digital content creation, people that make movies or music.

All in all, Vista is wait and see at the moment, for many people. Besides, Vienna is targeted at a 2009 release year, which is probably about the time most people think they are finally ready for Vista.

This might have serious implications in the PC world.

But frankly, ArchiCAD 10 is not and will never be patched for Vista and (I assume) Leopard, so in any case, when ArchiCAD 11 hits the shelves, you have to evaluate your options again: hardware, OS and software.

[Anonymous]

stefan wrote:

Jefferson wrote:
Stephan -

Y

But frankly, ArchiCAD 10 is not and will never be patched for Vista and (I assume) Leopard, so in any case, when ArchiCAD 11 hits the shelves, you have to evaluate your options again: hardware, OS and software.

That is the answer.
If I will avaluate my hardware, than it means to switch to MacPro with OS.
I have now PC and I will keep also because my former data is based on Window.
But the future goes to MacPro.

[TomWaltz]

stefan wrote:
But frankly, ArchiCAD 10 is not and will never be patched for Vista and (I assume) Leopard, so in any case, when ArchiCAD 11 hits the shelves, you have to evaluate your options again: hardware, OS and software.

Why would you assume that? Are you aware of core function changes to Leopard that would break software?

[stefan]

TomWaltz wrote:

stefan wrote:
But frankly, ArchiCAD 10 is not and will never be patched for Vista and (I assume) Leopard, so in any case, when ArchiCAD 11 hits the shelves, you have to evaluate your options again: hardware, OS and software.

Why would you assume that? Are you aware of core function changes to Leopard that would break software?

I'm not suggesting that Leopard will break ArchiCAD. I have witnessed Vista breaking ArchiCAD. I am suggesting that Graphisoft will not work on ArchiCAD 10 so it runs fine in Vista.

The "assume" part of this remark is based on the reasoning that ArchiCAD 10 will not be further developed when the team at Graphisoft is probably busy working hard on the next release.

You don't think they will follow the "Vista-development" route: moving a large part of the developers of the new OS (Vista) onto a service pack for the current OS (XP) and delay the new OS with a few years ?

[KeesW]

Excuse my guys - some tests have shown that the Mac is NOT faster than a PC. If you look in the Hardware section of Archi-talk, you will find comparisons between a Mac and PC for Archicad 10. It rates a home built AMD powered PC ahead of the latest dual processor Mac in everything except photo quality rendering. Here the Mac beats it by a small smidge. According to these comparisons, the new Core 2 Duo PC runs about 3rd - after the new Mac. Obviously, it depends what the computer is being used for. However, claims about the overwhelming speed of the Mac compared to the PC are unsubstantiated by impartial reviews. A Mac does operate very smoothly and might 'feel' faster without being so.

I know that there are many pro-Mac users but lets not be like a politician - look at all the data please!

[Anonymous]

@keesW
I mean here Mac with Intel Xeon. That is MacPro.
It is faster and cheaper and more cute than PC with Intel Xeon.