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Anonymous
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!Restored: Success = getting new customers

I saw some documents to compare between Revit and AC.
I study Revit from own website.
It is just copy from AC!!

I used to work with AC (and very satisfied, and like many friends from AC-forum).
As AC-user I hope, AC must be better than Revit for Architects.

I have not used Revit, but just seen from Website.
The web-site from Revit is so nice, that I must believe, Revit should be better than AC.

I like to know your opinions and also opinions from GS.

Thanks
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Anonymous
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What if you have to send 3D model to your structural steel subcontractor ? If they use Tekla and you don't have any round elements its ok but what if not ? I'm really looking forward to the day when all CAD software will use IFC (or maybe there will be some new standard ?).
Anonymous
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I have a wish.

I wish I could find someone who knows Revit AND ArchiCAD in depth, and could teach me about their differences.

Unfortunately, cad software is like a religion. It seems to be impossible to believe in two different approaches, and you can´t really be a good cad user if you don´t believe in it.

So, I guess my wish will remain unfulfilled...
Anonymous
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Of course, IFC can be the best solution.
Anonymous
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Chadwick wrote:
samsung wrote:
If AC is orginal, why must I use copy-version with different functions?
Because it works with Auto CAD together?


No, because it works really well with Revit Structure and Revit Systems. That to me is a huge selling point. ........ Revit Structure and Systems programs make Revit Building even more valuable. As a side note, R&D seems to be moving very quickly for Revit.......


ArchiCad does all the modeling of a Structural Design Office and more, at least in my liking. I have worked with Bentley Structural and been a beta tester and still I like ArchiCad better. Only actual structural analysis package with in AC is missing which with IFC around that is taken care of also. We have many structural analysis package in hand already and Risa-3D is to follow. For other systems I let someone else jump in (HVAC, Duck Works package for AC is available also).
Joseph
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Krippahl wrote:
I have a wish.

I wish I could find someone who knows Revit AND ArchiCAD in depth, and could teach me about their differences.

Unfortunately, cad software is like a religion. It seems to be impossible to believe in two different approaches, and you can´t really be a good cad user if you don´t believe in it.

So, I guess my wish will remain unfulfilled...
One of my clients has just hired someone with extensive Revit experience. He is very eager to learn ArchiCAD and it will be very interesting to see how he likes it once I get him properly trained. The extra good news is that he seems very capable and a quick learner.

I'll keep you all posted as this develops.
Anonymous
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Matthew wrote:

I'll keep you all posted as this develops.


Great.
Try to talk him into sharing his experience with us here at ArchiTalk.
Anonymous
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I'd like to hear the outcome of your new employee, Matthew!

This may sound odd, but I'm rather excited about the new features in AC10. I used ArchiCAD back at 6.5 and then ended up using Vectorworks. Like Scott, I like to keep my ear to the ground, and the only way you'll ever hear the truth about a program is to listen to its users. Usually you'll find the best users on forums like these!

AC and Revit users are brothers-in-arms really -- people who have committed themselves to documentation via virtual building. (Forget the psychobabble word BIM!) As a Revit moderator and AUGI wishlist manager, I get a front row seat of how Revit shines and stumbles. Where it shines: great programmers, and a great engine under the hood. Where it falls: poor modeling capabilities (the kernel can do it but the tools to make the forms haven't been developed yet), and it gets sluggish on large projects.

I don't think anyone here should switch, unless there's something that Revit does that AC does not, and that's a deal maker for you. And up til now, in my area, for every 10 people who tried Revit, about 3 bounced off because they got stuck at some point and bailed back to AutoCAD.

I think everyone should try both AC and Revit, and then scream bloody murder about the great feature Brand X CAD has that we have to have.

The comparison between Revit and AC is becoming slightly more apples to apples. I think that's great.

With regards to the original thread title: it's an interesting comparison:

- You guys have MaxxonForm; we have "in place families", which can include geometry from Revit or other solid modelers. MF's capabilities outstrip Revit's, though we can import that which we cannot model, and turn it into a Revit object. The object can only be edited outside of Revit, but the Revit geometry behaves like a wall or roof or whatever you told it to be. Revit objects can curve in two planes, unlike the new ArchiCAD canted walls, which appear to only curve in section. But still -- it's a dead heat. Advantage: nobody
- Plotmaker is dead. Thank God. But Revit has the project browser, which has all the views and sheets and other project related data a few clicks away. Used to be Advantage: Revit but I'd say the score is nearly even here as well.
- Working drawings: Revit seems to have the upper hand here -- between a fabulous looking drawing set and the truly automatic organisation Revit offers.
- Presentation: ArchiCAD wins easily with the gradient fills, better OOTB renderer, etc.
- Ease of use: good question. Everyone says Revit is easy, until they start making their own windows!
- Interoperability - everyone's got IFC
- Brighter future - dunno. Autodesk won't be able to screw up Revit -- the programmers would kill them, and it sounds like AC is getting some attention to ensure it can go head to head with Revit.

Given the great capabilities of each software, you need to have access to good support and good users. Here in Vancouver, AC predates Revit but I've worked hard to seed Revit in the area and it's gaining momentum. I hope this will spin off some more seats of AC into the Vancouver community, because I hate monopolies.

My screen name of metanoia is Greek for "change of mind". Before Revit came along, I had come to hate drafting. Revit changed my mind.
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metanoia wrote:
... I used ArchiCAD back at 6.5 and then ended up using Vectorworks...

... Before Revit came along, I had come to hate drafting. Revit changed my mind...

...because I hate monopolies.


First of all, thank you for your input. You took your time to explain your point of view, which is always good and unfortunately less frequent.

I would like to point out two things, though:
You say you used AC till version 6.5, but you hated drafting until Revit came along. Correct me if I am wrong, but Revit has appeared in 2000 or so, and AC 6.5 was NOT a drafting software. This leads me to believe that you used AC only for drafting.
So, my quest for a AC/Revit user continues...

btw, "As a Revit moderator and AUGI wishlist manager" puts you in a odd situation regarding you alleged "hate monopolies" situation, I would think. Because, after all, Revis IS Autodesk...

Have fun
Anonymous
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Miki wrote:
What if you have to send 3D model to your structural steel subcontractor ? If they use Tekla and you don't have any round elements its ok but what if not ? I'm really looking forward to the day when all CAD software will use IFC (or maybe there will be some new standard ?).
This is also my hope. I wonder every time, just few architects can make 3D with his CAAD.
And absolutly just few engineer can understand 3D.
3D is still fantasy world for them.
But AC forces to use 3D structure from the beginning.
It depends very on own software. Revit is also 3D based CAAD.
If many CAAD goes to this direction, one IFC file generation can come soon.
In this sense Revit is good friend for AC.
Rakela Raul
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I'll keep you all posted as this develops.
i love it, thx mister
And absolutly just few engineer can understand 3D.
3D is still fantasy world for them.
disagree, visit our web page, all those engineer'g structures are 3d, using microstation and geopak from bentley system..and i know many more engineers outside our company doing the same.....housing, mickey mouse structures, i might have to agree with you.
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