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[Anonymous]

I saw some documents to compare between Revit and AC.
I study Revit from own website.
It is just copy from AC!!

I used to work with AC (and very satisfied, and like many friends from AC-forum).
As AC-user I hope, AC must be better than Revit for Architects.

I have not used Revit, but just seen from Website.
The web-site from Revit is so nice, that I must believe, Revit should be better than AC.

I like to know your opinions and also opinions from GS.

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Naftali wrote:


Look what I found thru the SketchUp users forum:

Scott Davis
Revit Forum Moderator
www.augi.com

....In the name of honesty, Scott, please put your title as part of your user name.

Naftali

It does explain a lot. Like why Scott posts a lot on forum of a CAD system he doesn't use.

Mind you, Scott, you obviously dress to impress on the Revit forum.

And the signature....

"Never under estimate the power of the Dark Side."

..that's not a very nice thing to say about Autodesk.

[Scott Davis]

Never anticipated I would be so "controversial". 🙂 Well, I don't think I have ever tried to hide the fact that I've been a moderator of a Revit forum at AUGI, and before that at Zoogdesign.com (which became AUGI's forums). In fact, my avatar here is from the Zoogdesign days. I don't get paid anything for what I do for AUGI, as it's a non-profit organization made upentirely of volunteers who are passionate about what they do. AUGI is not even a part of Autodesk, it's a separate entity that has the support of Autodesk, but has no financial relationship at all. If it makes everyone feel better, I'll add it to my sig line here.

The reference to the Dark Side actually comes from the days when Revit Technologies Corporation was bought by Autodesk. The ADT (Arch. Desktop) users considered Revit "The Dark Side" back then. It's nothing against Autodesk, just a little fun from the past. In fact, two other ADT experts, Matt Dillon and Paul Aubin, have begun using Revit, and even taught a class last year at Autodesk University. They began their class by coming out in Darth Vader masks and the Imperial March playing over the audio system, and proclaimed 'We have gone to the Dark Side.'

All in good fun. I've said it before, if I ever really cross the line here, I have no issue editing or deleting my posts, or having a moderator do it for me. Thanks to those here who have 'accepted' me in....to the others, give it some time and maybe you will feel the same?

[Aaron Bourgoin]

Scott,

I'm posting my note of support for your presence here. And while I didn't always think it, we do manage to have some debate about the two BIM contenders in this forum. (still not sure what passes for debate at AUGI).

Your posts have given me cause to check out the AUGI forum and I've read the "you wouldn't believe what they're saying over there" sort of posts found at AUGI about ArchiCAD.

Truth, distortion, lies, and damned lies notwithstanding, I think you've earned the right to post here by dint of persistence and sheer insistence. You may be propagating lies, and damned lies about Revit here and lies and damned lies about ArchiCAD over there, but carry on.

The truth will out.

The same goes for Wes Macaulay, aka Metanoia. Thank you both for trying to keep us informed about Revit. Much appreciated.

[Djordje]

I for one have absolutely no problem with Scott and Wes sharing the cyberspace with us here.

The basis for all the bad things in this world is xenophobia and the lack of knowledge of "other", as well as thinking that there are two opinions - mine and wrong. Basically, we Archicadders and the Reviteers are on the same road - to promote the VB/BIM way of doing things in a sadly medieaval flatland world.

It is only because of the lack of time that I am not over there and "bothering" Scott and Wes the way they are "bothering" us - if you remember, a couple of years ago the discussion was cross forum. Yes, in the Zoog days.

We all invested our time and effort in mastering one or the other, and the switch is unlikely, barring disasters. So, to each its own, and let's keep the light of the model full of building data alive!

[Thomas Holm]

Djordje wrote:
Basically, we Archicadders and the Reviteers are on the same road - to promote the VB/BIM way of doing things in a sadly medieaval flatland world.

OK, I bow for the moderator!

I'm also much happier now when Scott's signature has come out of the closet!

[Anonymous]

Thomas wrote:

Djordje wrote:
Basically, we Archicadders and the Reviteers are on the same road - to promote the VB/BIM way of doing things in a sadly medieaval flatland world.

OK, I bow for the moderator!

I'm also much happier now when Scott's signature has come out of the closet!

If I go into a Toyota Showroom to check out their cars, I don't want to have a Nissan salesman come in there and start chirping in my ear non-stop about his brand, and I don't think the Toyota guy would defend his right of free speech, either.

But, it's your business...

Naftali

[Anonymous]

Naftali wrote:

Thomas wrote:

Djordje wrote:
Basically, we Archicadders and the Reviteers are on the same road - to promote the VB/BIM way of doing things in a sadly medieaval flatland world.

OK, I bow for the moderator!

I'm also much happier now when Scott's signature has come out of the closet!

If I go into a Toyota Showroom to check out their cars, I don't want to have a Nissan salesman come in there and start chirping in my ear non-stop about his brand, and I don't think the Toyota guy would defend his right of free speech, either.

But, it's your business...

Naftali

This is not an ArchiCAD dealership. I agree with Djordje and appreciate Scott's presence here.

[Dennis Lee]

Hi everyone, I've been reading this forum, AUGI, and anything else I could find out there for the past couple of months, especially threads that had anything to do with Revit and ArchiCAD.
I've been using AutoCAD since R11, and am quite good at it, but since about a year or two ago, heard some nice things about Revit - which got me interested, and in researching about Revit, found that there was this other program called ArchiCAD - that's been around for 20 years. Prior to this I've heard one of my college friend used it, but didn't know what it was, I always thought it was just a smart cad program that had lots of nice lisps built in or something.
Anyway, since I started researching Revit and ArchiCAD, I first thought it was the coolest thing. I tried Revit 8.1 and 9, I tried all of their tutorials, I got a demo CD for ArchiCAD 9, tried both level 1 and 2 training guides, but in the process my heart was going back and forth between the two.
In the end however, I couldn't stand the graphics of Revit and loved the flexibility that ArchiCAD offered - which I'm sure was developed over 20 years and through many many architects' wishes and feedback. Of course, seeing the AC10 demo - w/ the guidelines, reference points / dims, easy 3d orbit / navigation - really did me in.
Anyway, my two cents on the on-going discussion, Scott's posts on this and other forums on Revit vs ArchiCAD "helped" me choose ArchiCAD. So maybe it's not too bad to have his presence here?

I'm waiting for my AC9 to arrive now, w/ automatic upgrade to 10 when it comes out. Can't wait!

[Anonymous]

Djordje wrote:
I for one have absolutely no problem with Scott and Wes sharing the cyberspace with us here.

The basis for all the bad things in this world is xenophobia and the lack of knowledge of "other", as well as thinking that there are two opinions - mine and wrong.

Agreed

Djordje wrote:
Basically, we Archicadders and the Reviteers are on the same road - to promote the VB/BIM way of doing things in a sadly medieaval flatland world.

We all invested our time and effort in mastering one or the other, and the switch is unlikely, barring disasters. So, to each its own, and let's keep the light of the model full of building data alive!

Sounds like you're hedging your bet !

Hope you are right, but I suspect you are wrong, and judging from the tough language which Scott uses on the "other" forum about ArchiCAD, I have my reservations about his true intents as well.

Enough said, looking forward to getting my copy of AC v10. I held back on v9, but this looks like a major step forward. If AC v10 looks at the individual "skins" of a multi-layered wall individually, allowing us to prioritize them as we wish, then maybe one day we will have different heights for them as well.

Regards,

Naftali

[Karl Ottenstein]

Just seconding that I appreciate Scott's and the other Revit guys' presence here.

Those of us addicted to ac-talk remember without searching that Scott has been with us for a long time, and did in fact introduce himself properly when he joined us. I don't think he should have to have his signature indicate his AUGI status, but I don't mind it either. Anyone feeling weird about his presence, I just encourage you to click on his profile, then search for all of his posts, and browse through them. He has brought valuable information to these forums.

Cheers,
Karl