Why are floors and ceilings not part of same composite?
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2009-04-13
08:17 PM
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06:30 PM
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Rubia Torres
2009-04-13
08:17 PM
What's the idea behind this? Why not include them in the same composite?
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2009-04-14 07:45 AM
2009-04-14
07:45 AM
Oops. now I see your AC version.
I don't know why, I am not a mindreader. Often it works better to model the ceiling separately from the floor.
-not all ceilings are as same height
-some areas have soffits
-separate ceiling leaves a space between it an the floor structure above where you can model HVAC etc.

I don't know why, I am not a mindreader. Often it works better to model the ceiling separately from the floor.
-not all ceilings are as same height
-some areas have soffits
-separate ceiling leaves a space between it an the floor structure above where you can model HVAC etc.
Erika
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2009-04-14 06:11 PM
2009-04-14
06:11 PM
...and also, the pre-defined composites in your country-specific default template come from your regional distributor. In the US, these predefined attributes are often not applicable to real work and are just examples.
For residential, I most often model the ceiling/floor assembly as a single composite. But, sometimes this is not desirable. Erika gave some examples. Another is where you use massing for preliminary design, and yet want to model floor structure (joists/beams) for construction documents. If you use a single composite, then if you reduce it to either ceiling gyp, or to subfloor/floor finish - then the rest has to be modeled again anyway. But, if the ceiling was modeled separate from the floor, then just the floor composite changes - and the structure, MEP, etc is inserted in the void during the design development phase (with the ceiling assembly perhaps shifting up/down based on final floor structure engineering).
Cheers,
Karl
For residential, I most often model the ceiling/floor assembly as a single composite. But, sometimes this is not desirable. Erika gave some examples. Another is where you use massing for preliminary design, and yet want to model floor structure (joists/beams) for construction documents. If you use a single composite, then if you reduce it to either ceiling gyp, or to subfloor/floor finish - then the rest has to be modeled again anyway. But, if the ceiling was modeled separate from the floor, then just the floor composite changes - and the structure, MEP, etc is inserted in the void during the design development phase (with the ceiling assembly perhaps shifting up/down based on final floor structure engineering).
Cheers,
Karl
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