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showing walls as dashed lines on other stories

Anonymous
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Is there a way to show walls as dashed lines on stories other than there home story? If so please tell me how.
I would like to show the walls as dashed lines on the framing and foundation plans. Currently I am drawing the walls on these stories with the pline tool. It would be great if there is a way to show the walls as dashed lines on other stories.
Thank you,
John
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Eduardo Rolon
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John,

Is this closer to what you want to do?

The recipe is to use "Layer Sets" and "MVOs" to control how you want to view the model and to create a fill with the pattern you need that is composed of white lines and transparent background. This fill will be overlayed on top of the drawing.
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Anonymous
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The only time I ever heard back from the developers was to be snidely told to upgrade so I could upgrade to a version that fixed the broken library part (pocket door v11).
I would like to say that I did later get an apology from the developer who posted the comment that I mentioned here. That was nice.
Anonymous
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ejrolon wrote:
The recipe is to use "Layer Sets" and "MVOs" to control how you want to view the model and to create a fill with the pattern you need that is composed of white lines and transparent background. This fill will be overlayed on top of the drawing.
Ejrolon,
Yesterday Karl told me about the workaround using the fill overlay. He mentioned that other users use it. It doesn't work well for my work because of the variety of angles and organic shapes in my work. I'm sure that it works fine for square or rectilinear architecture.

So does Chief Architect.
Eduardo Rolon
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Since you have already decided that it can not be done…
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Eduardo Rolon
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Solid Lines
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Eduardo Rolon
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Using Partial Structure Display.

Is this closer to what you want?
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Anonymous
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ejrolon wrote:
Using Partial Structure Display.

Is this closer to what you want?
Erjolon,
You are showing a work around that looks like it needs to be custom altered for each different wall condition. Thank you for sharing this workaround. Next time I have time I will experiment with it.

Would please tell me and the forum how many steps it takes for this solution from creating the object wall to having a working drawing?
How many different views and fill masks would you need to use for an entire set of working drawings with a complete set of structural plans?
I ask this because I am concerned with the time it takes to go from design to working drawing. I think that this is a concern for working architects everywhere.
When ArchiCAD was first shown to us by the local ArchiCAD rep back in version 6 the idea was that once the template was set up we would be able to go from the live model to working drawings. I like that idea. Each additional step that it takes to do this defines for me a problem in the software.
We can continue to create workarounds that solve deficiencies in the software. We can also try to communicate with the developers what we need the software to do.
Eduardo Rolon
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It is a workaround, but to answer the questions.
Would please tell me and the forum how many steps it takes for this solution from creating the object wall to having a working drawing?
1. The only wall conditions that you have to create are for different walls widths i.e. 6", 8", 12" etc. It should take the same amount of time as it takes now provided you have predefined the wall widths the first time. For this example doing it for the first time it took my about 5 mins. Once you create your first one and you are happy with it the others should take less than a minute to do since you only have to alter one parameter.
How many different views and fill masks would you need to use for an entire set of working drawings with a complete set of structural plans?
2a. 1 View for the normal view, 1 View for structure. Or one view type for the architectural plans and one view for the structural plans.

2b. No fills or masks needed. I did not do any extra 2d work.
I ask this because I am concerned with the time…
3. It should take the same time as it takes now to define views for different consultants.

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- Possible coordination problems that I foresee is defining how to do the annotations/dims, to core or to finish but that is basically it.

- Once you have created your basic wall composites you can reuse them in your projects, same with the views so the "template" will help you work faster.

- The only additional steps to be taken are the ones needed to create the template to your specific custom needs. Those steps will have to be done no matter the software you use. This does not imply that GS should not look at your request. In my case not being able to do this does not affect my practice so it is not high on my priority list.

- One final comment, it does not matter what software you use there will always be a need for workarounds and finding them will take time. IMO the steps needed to create a set of working drawings depends more on the user than the software. For some type of projects I can draw them faster by hand, for others SketchUp and Illustrator, for others AC and there are Revit users that are very fast at doing their working drawings. Therefore not all of those steps are the fault of the software more likely they are a lack of training in that specific software or lack of experience.
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Anonymous
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ejrolon wrote:
1. The only wall conditions that you have to create are for different walls widths i.e. 6", 8", 12" etc. It should take the same amount of time as it takes now provided you have predefined the wall widths the first time. For this example doing it for the first time it took my about 5 mins. Once you create your first one and you are happy with it the others should take less than a minute to do since you only have to alter one parameter.

2a. 1 View for the normal view, 1 View for structure. Or one view type for the architectural plans and one view for the structural plans.

2b. No fills or masks needed. I did not do any extra 2d work.
I may be misunderstanding your process. Here is what I thought that your process is:
1) Create a floor plans showing the doors and windows.
2) Create a custom view of the floor plan with the Model View Setting set to show the door and window openings.
3) In this view show the walls with only the outer lines of the wall composite showing. How do would this be done?
4a) Cover the walls in this view with a masking fill that has white blocking hashing to give the walls of the appearance of being dashed lines.
4b, c, d, e, f...) Draw this fill over every wall that has a unique orientation or curved line.
Maybe this is the step that I am misunderstanding. Please explain your process if is different.
If I am understanding this step correctly please give me more information about how you get the masking fill to cover curved and free-form shaped walls so the wall appears to have a uniform dashed line.
5) Model or hand draw the framing or foundation members and notations needed for the structural plans.
6) Create a layout for each structural plan. Foundation, First Floor Framing, Second Floor Framing, Lower Roof Framing, Upper Roof Framing and the Roof Plan.
This step is a step that I normally do to create a set of working drawings so it is not an extra step.
7) Place the wall view created in steps 1-4 on the layout.
8a) Place and register the structural view on the layout.
8b, c, d, e, f...) Repeat as needed to create live layouts of the Foundation, First Floor Framing, Second Floor Framing, Lower Roof Framing, Upper Roof Framing and Roof Plans.
9) Readjust the masking fills in step 4a, b, c, d, e... every time the wall layouts changes. I often need to adjust the wall and building layout when I am creating the structural drawings.
Good architects do this to make sure that the building makes sense structurally so I consider it a very important part of designing a building that makes sense to build.

I may be misunderstanding how the masking fill that you are describing works. Please let me know if I am misunderstanding your process and how the masking fill works.

Of course I could use the masking fill method. In the end it probably would be better to use this method than the method that I currently us which involves exploding the walls and placing them on the structural views as lines. With the masking fill method the wall lines remain live even if the masking fills are not.

It will take some time to train my drafts-people how to use the masking fill method do this. I hope that they are all reading this.

THANK YOU for taking the time to share this technique with me.

I hope that the developers are reading this and thinking of ways to improve the functionality of ArchiCAD so this workaround is not necessary.

BTW I started out as a pencil draftsman. For the most part I can hand draw one of the houses that I design just about as fast as it takes me in ArchiCAD. I have only had a pencil crash once and there has only been two upgrades in the 35 years that I have been drafting.

I enjoy hand drafting but these days I am busy with doing design and managing my design business.

If I am going to use CAD software in my firm the software needs EASILY produce working drawings from live modeled objects. I don't think that is too much to ask of ArchiCAD. That is what I was told it could do many years ago.
Eduardo Rolon
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4a) Cover the walls in this view with a masking fill that has white blocking hashing to give the walls of the appearance of being dashed lines.
4b, c, d, e, f...) Draw this fill over every wall that has a unique orientation or curved line.
Maybe this is the step that I am misunderstanding. Please explain your process if is different.
This is the missing step all the others are ok. I am using a Composite to fake the dashed line (see image) and using "Partial Structure Display" to control the MVO between structure only and architecture. AFAIK "Partial Structure Display" is not available in AC11.
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