the continuing saga of composite wall clean-up disasters...

[__archiben]

i hope the screenshot is self-explanatory.

the issue began with the two rebates being formed vertically at the interior wall junctions as shown. however: it is the outside skins that are to blame!

further messing around (several hours. can i send you my invoice graphisoft?) revealed that the walls were not joining in junction arrangements that I had set them to.

the wall reference line should form a continuous line around the exterior of the building because i had carried out an 'intersect' command on them. they should NOT suddenly shoot off into the building along an interior wall if i 'adjust' the internal wall up to it.

in the example below, skin priorities are as follows...

14 - external core
12 - internal core
6 - interior lining
4 - exterior cladding

... which leads back to the original 3D problem: how the hell does an exterior wall skin - with a lower priority than the internal linings - form a rebate in that lining on the other side of the wall?!

(and yes: priorities have been checked, double checked and examined in the finest detail. all walls are set to use the settings of the composite.)

remember this is nothing fancy: it's pretty depressing that after twenty-four(?) years the basic building blocks of archicad - walls - cannot form a simple, everyday junction correctly. don't even get me started on wall/slab/roof junctions...

THIS HAS GOT TO BE ADDRESSED SOON.

[Anonymous]

In AC9 since al elements are in the same layer one does not have the option of showing the structural part only in the structural drawing. Has 10 fixed this?

[Anonymous]

I think the short answer is 'No'

It is a wish that has been around a long time but has yet to be granted.
Check out Re: Diplay Option: Show Core Only

[Anonymous]

Andy wrote:
Enclosed is a screenshot of one I drew a couple of days ago and had to patch.

My view is that there needs to be the ability of creating a polygon wall with its own patch symbol embedded in it, which can be edited as necessary. As to how this might work I don't know.

I have long felt that polygon walls need to be able to be composites also. It might not solve your very complex condition, but it would take care of most circumstances I've run into.

Another trick is to use the column tool with a complex profile. That should work as the poly-wall with the built-in patch that you are looking for.

[Anonymous]

Thanks Matthew, I will give it a try next time.

[Anonymous]

As I have posted a decade ago : “ All attributed must be defined at the layer level” . This will solve al problems. The wall’s fill or line should be assignable to a layer different then that of the wall. This may seem ridiculous but this is because the cad softwares have never developed a clear layering of layers \system that could be transferred between systems.

[Anonymous]

I agree that there needs to be a greater level of sophistication for displaying walls. The obvious example is that plaster needs to be displayed at 1:20 scale, but not always at 1:50. The ability to turn off insulation in cavities would also be useful.

A crude on/off switch to display core only will not always achieve the desired result, as there could always be an eternal lining to the wall.

Layering of the wall is sort of contrary to the ArchiCAD philosophy, but I suppose that, as in modules, the wall master layer could determine if the wall is visible or not, and if skins fills or separator line are assigned to other layers then their visibility would be controlled by that layer's visibility.

[Laszlo Nagy]

I was thinking that using white pens on white background could be an option for not showing certain skins/fills/skin separation lines of Walls.
You would have to define separate Pen Sets for the different scales.
A skin which does not need to be shown at M 1:100 would have a white pen in the M 1:100 Pen Set, and have a darker pen in Pen Sets for higher scales.

Another idea is to have the ability to have Pen 0 assigned to contour lines/skin separation lines/fill pattern lines. This would really make them invisible. (Having a white would still show and overlap other elemetns on a darker background).

Having the Pen 0 assigned to a line is like having it turned OFF.

[__archiben]

laszlonagy wrote:
I was thinking that using white pens on white background could be an option for not showing certain skins/fills/skin separation lines of Walls.

it is. but it's not the solution. this seems to have been ignored by graphisoft for as long as it's been necessary to show core-only skins of the walls.

Another idea is to have the ability to have Pen 0 assigned to contour lines/skin separation lines/fill pattern lines. This would really make them invisible. (Having a white would still show and overlap other elemetns on a darker background).

you mean in the 'model view options' settings? why not make each pen be capable of being transparent in the pensets?

bottom line: we need modelled composite skins (which would develop into parametric assemblies over time) so that we can have model view control over them . . .

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[Laszlo Nagy]

~/archiben wrote:

laszlonagy wrote:
I was thinking that using white pens on white background could be an option for not showing certain skins/fills/skin separation lines of Walls.

it is. but it's not the solution. this seems to have been ignored by graphisoft for as long as it's been necessary to show core-only skins of the walls.

Yes, I agree, these are just workarounds.

Another idea is to have the ability to have Pen 0 assigned to contour lines/skin separation lines/fill pattern lines. This would really make them invisible. (Having a white would still show and overlap other elemetns on a darker background).

you mean in the 'model view options' settings? why not make each pen be capable of being transparent in the pensets?

Yes, I meant the Pen Sets.

bottom line: we need modelled composite skins (which would develop into parametric assemblies over time) so that we can have model view control over them . . .

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[__archiben]

laszlonagy wrote:
Yes, I meant the Pen Sets.

being able to assign the pens-by-wall-function in the 'model view options' would be better though, no?

besides - you would have to allow each pen to be defined as transparent rather than be able to assign skin/fill/contour lines to the transparent pen . . . or they would always be transparent!

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