Wow, the tips keep on giving, thanks Barry. That helps a lot. I've been working a custom WE for years and years, so yes a lot of new tools popped up when I loaded the standard one, thank you. Now I'll just get my Workspace Scheme laid out for product...

Oh my, that invisible flyout on a palette that has been hidden since the early 2000's. Fills was the only checkbox that wasn't checked. Thank you!!.

Nope, that certainly make the background fill of text blocks transparent, but fills that I have drawn do not show up on trace, the outline doesn't show up, or the fill itself.

That did it! What I was looking for in that palette though was a way to see fills in trace. I draw many fills for framing members, but then I can never see them on trace reference. Is there a trick to that? Background fills show up for text boxes, bu...

Nothing about trace in the view menu for me.