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AI visualiser not generating image

Adam F
Participant

I have downloaded the visualizer as per the instruction on my pc, however the server does not generate the image. Could you help with this.

Adam 

 

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GAG
Advocate

Checklist:

  • Check that you have the recommended hardware (modern NVIDIA card)
  • Check that you have placed 'sd.webui' folder in the correct location
  • Check terminal window when running command batch file `run.bat` or `runHighVram.bat`
  • Check availability of SD server via browser: http://127.0.0.1:7860

Note: SD — Stable Diffusion.

George
Paul King
Mentor

Similar problem, though no issue connecting to AI server in my case.

However I suspect the problem in my case may be related to slow response time of server

 

All 4 checks above passed.

 

Looking at the terminal window it seems like a process is still ongoing, with no errors reported there, even as ArchiCAD reports a non specific error, advising the user to look at the terminal window for more information.

 

Given the extreme slowness evident in the progress bar indicators in the terminal window (on even default AI image settings in the ArchiCAD AI dialog) I am guessing this is some sort of timeout issue?

 

If this speed is representative (around 20 minutes just to get to 25% of first iteration, before ArchiCAD gives up), even if an image were to eventually result (i.e. if ArchiCAD relaxed its timeout limit), I can't see this being a particularly useful tool.

 

I had already seen that ArchiCAD reporting an error does not halt the generation process as reported in the terminal window, but interestingly even hitting the 'Restart AI Engine'  button in the ArchiCAD AI dialog  does nothing at all either - the process reported in terminal window continues uninterrupted.

 

Any attempt to generate another image while the the current terminal window is still active (even after the reset button is clicked) triggers another non specific error message, with same referral to the terminal window, which continues to work away on the first image and which still shows no error.

 

Almost as if the ArchiCAD is just not communicating at all with the processes it initiates 

 

Only way to proceed is to manually close the terminal window and click 'Start AI engine' to open a new one.

Of course this also eventually fails/times out in the same way.

 

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PAUL KING | https://www.prime.net.nz
ArchiCAD 8-28 | Twinmotion 2024
Windoze 11 PC | Intel Core i9 10900K | Nvidia Gforce RTX 3080 | 32 Gb DDR3 | 2x4K monitor extended desktop

Paul, how much memory does your NVIDIA RTX 3080 have?

 


@Paul King wrote:

If this speed is representative (around 20 minutes just to get to 25% of first iteration, before ArchiCAD gives up), even if an image were to eventually result (i.e. if ArchiCAD relaxed its timeout limit), I can't see this being a particularly useful tool.

20 minutes is too long.

For reference: 12-25 seconds (not minutes) on RTX 4090 to get a finished image. Depends on the number of iterations (20 to 50).

George
Paul King
Mentor

Hi GAG, my RTX3080 has 10GB (full spec below) - so is well above minimum requirements, if not at the full 16GB recommended.

Noting also that I have tried running via the low VRAM version batchfile, with no change in performance/outcome

 

*** Edit ***  if I drop the number of iterations below the default 80 to the minimum 20, I do get an outcome before ArchiCAD times out, though it takes several minutes rather than seconds.  The outcome not especially useful, although that is a separate issue & not the fault of the tool itself. 

Given the speed, I would probably do better to upload a basic screenshot from ArchiCAD standard 3D window directly to one of the online AI generators to work with rather than than trying to process it locally. 

 

Obviously with the current state of the art, I would get tend to get results that don't withstand much scrutiny architecturally either way, except under very constrained circumstances or after very many trial and error iterations with various prompts.   

 

Certainly thus far am not seeing anything about this tool that would justify the staggering cost of a GPU upgrade to a next gen card (ironically it seems to be all the AI farms out there that are gobbling up every available current gen GPU and driving up prices for everyone else).

 

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PAUL KING | https://www.prime.net.nz
ArchiCAD 8-28 | Twinmotion 2024
Windoze 11 PC | Intel Core i9 10900K | Nvidia Gforce RTX 3080 | 32 Gb DDR3 | 2x4K monitor extended desktop

@Paul King wrote:

Hi GAG, my RTX3080 has 10GB (full spec below) - so is well above minimum requirements, if not at the full 16GB recommended.

Certainly thus far am not seeing anything about this tool that would justify the staggering cost of a GPU upgrade to a next gen card

 Hi, Paul.

 

Thank you for posting the full GPU-Z report as a screenshot, not just video card name, this helped me to find a possible workaround and a way to keep your money (at least for a while).

 

Before we move on to a possible solution, I must warn you that, despite my thorough research into your video card's features and compatibility, you will need to double-check all my conclusions!

 

Solution

 

So, the answer is: Resizable BAR.

 

I quote NVIDIA's news about Resizable BAR support in the GeForce RTX 30 Series:

 

GeForce RTX 30 Series Performance Accelerates With Resizable BAR Support

 

Resizable BAR utilizes an advanced feature of PCI Express to increase performance in certain games. As of March 30th, 2021, Resizable BAR is supported for GeForce RTX 30 Series graphics cards.

For desktops to take advantage of Resizable BAR, users need a GeForce RTX 30 Series graphics card with a supported VBIOS, a compatible CPU, compatible motherboard, motherboard SBIOS update, and our newest GeForce Game Ready driver.

 

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What Is Resizable BAR?

 

Resizable BAR is an optional PCI Express interface technology. As you move through a world in a game, GPU memory (VRAM) constantly transfers textures, shaders and geometry via many small CPU to GPU transfers.

With the ever-growing size of modern game assets, this results in a lot of transfers. Using Resizable BAR, assets can instead be requested as-needed and sent in full, so the CPU can efficiently access the entire frame buffer. And if multiple requests are made, transfers can occur concurrently, rather than queuing. 

 

End of quote.

 

When you read about game's textures, VRAM and GPU transfers, you could easily extrapolate this to machine learning and Stable Diffusion.

 

What we can notice on your screen?

Resizable BAR: disabled.

 

So, the solution is to perform your video card software upgrade to get a performance boost.

 

Resizable BAR Compatibility with your hardware

 

  • CPU: you have compatible CPU — at least Intel 10th Gen (Intel Core i9-10900K)
  • Motherboard chipset — you must check it. All 11th Gen chipsets are supported, but you could have 10th Gen chipset.
    • In case of 10th Gen Chipset, it must be one of:
      • Z490
      • H470
      • B460
      • H410

 

Next steps

 

  1. Check 'Links' section.
  2. Upgrade BIOS of your video card.
  3. Upgrade BIOS of your motherboard

 

Links

 

George

Thanks GS - that is a very interesting suggestion and very helpful research!

 

After a bit of a struggle was able to update the GPU firmware (noting that neither the Gigabyte Control Centre firmware update function method nor the manual bios update executable method actually work by default with Gigabyte RTX GPU firmware updates - a long standing issue apparently.  A workaround  for anyone interested is posted here)

A couple of motherboard BIOS settings needed to change as well, but end result is Resizable Bar is now active.

 

While still slow, this time same settings did not time out completely on lowest resolution image in High Vram mode, but they still do time out on highest resolution in high Vram mode - even using minimum iterations settings (20)

 

In low VRAM mode, while still slow (still maybe a minute or two), it is noticeably faster with 20 iterations, on highest listed resolution (1216x832).

 

In low VRAM mode, with highest resolution, and highest available iterations (50), image generation does complete, and takes around 3.5 minutes

 

That said, while I can see the AI is riffing with the scanned shapes from ArchiCAD and applying its large catalogue of statistical patterns related to images of buildings, the lack of any innate understanding of how a building works is pretty evident.

 

This is still far from being useful as a design tool, and you would never want to show the results to a client, however nicely rendered - the basic and obvious mistakes might well get them questioning your fees. 

 

Essentially this is generating a stylistic composition that has a superficial resemblance to a building without really reflecting any spatial organizational substance or functional purpose - the exact opposite of the actual architectural design process we are paid to undertake.

 

We are not short of much more coherent glossy magazine images already if we are just looking for inspiration

 

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Lower prompt strength seems to generate slightly more plausible results (assuming you have enough of the critical elements resolved and modelled yourself).

 

But prompt strength set to the minimum 25%, gives results that are still far from usable 

 

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And of course having the critical elements modelled already then brings in to question the need for AI at all at that point, except to the extent I guess that you could create the impression of having done more modelling entourage work than you actually have. 

 

But the minute the client asks you to extend a bedroom while leaving everything else as is, or to show you the floor plan corresponding to the image, the whole thing is exposed as fake, since without a resolved underlying model with 1:1 relationship to the image, these things can't (yet) be done, as far as I can tell.

 

I suspect the real value of AI as a design tool would kick in when AI can generate 3D models reflecting some insight as to the way buildings actually work - though hopefully (from a gainful employment point of view) that moment will not arrive too soon!

 

PAUL KING | https://www.prime.net.nz
ArchiCAD 8-28 | Twinmotion 2024
Windoze 11 PC | Intel Core i9 10900K | Nvidia Gforce RTX 3080 | 32 Gb DDR3 | 2x4K monitor extended desktop

@Paul King wrote:

That said, while I can see the AI is riffing with the scanned shapes from ArchiCAD and applying its large catalogue of statistical patterns related to images of buildings, the lack of any innate understanding of how a building works is pretty evident.

 

This is still far from being useful as a design tool, and you would never want to show the results to a client, however nicely rendered - the basic and obvious mistakes might well get them questioning your fees. 

 

Essentially this is presenting style without substance - the exact opposite of the actual architectural design process.


Come on, that roof will be so easy to build.

As easy as pressing a button that says generate with AI - not!

 

Barry.

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@Paul King wrote:

Thanks GAG - that is a very interesting suggestion and very helpful research!

 

After a bit of a struggle was able to update the GPU firmware

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A couple of motherboard BIOS settings needed to change as well, but end result is Resizable Bar is now active.

 


It is great that you followed my advice and managed to enable the Resizable BAR feature!

 

 


@Paul King wrote:

 

In low VRAM mode, while still slow (still maybe a minute or two), it is noticeably faster with 20 iterations, on highest listed resolution (1216x832).

 

In low VRAM mode, with highest resolution, and highest available iterations (50), image generation does complete, and takes around 3.5 minutes

 


Anyway, it's much better than 20+ minutes before, now it's a 10-20x boost. So an upgrade to the Resizable BAR is well worth it.

 


@Paul King wrote:

I suspect the real value of AI as a design tool would kick in when AI can generate 3D models reflecting some insight as to the way buildings actually work - though hopefully (from a gainful employment point of view) that moment will not arrive too soon!

 


I see that AI Visualizer is currently a tool to get a reference mood, not the construction ready approach.

 

George

@GAG wrote:

It is great that you followed my advice and managed to enable the Resizable BAR feature!

Yes, thanks for your helpful suggestion!  Also good for games (after hours only of course) so a win all round.

 


@GAG wrote:

I see that AI Visualizer is currently a tool to get a reference mood, not the construction ready approach.

To me, a reference mood generator might make sense to an interior designer, who does not have quite so many balls to juggle, and whose work to some extent begins and ends with the superficial appearance of things, but for the architectural design process, the alignment of functional requirements with an underlying spatial structure and experience needs to be fairly well resolved before the surface appearances and mood of anything are even considered.

 

Where this tool might add legitimately more value is to automate the process from base model to visualization by getting it to add entourage, lighting, textures etc to an otherwise resolved model. When undertaking iterations via tweaks to text prompt, there would need to be a way to 'lock' all but a single attribute, so that an image can be refined with precision - so eg, 're-render without changes other than removing the tree in the highlighted area', or 'add snow on the ground and roof, delete the tree leaves' etc

 

That said,  this sort of thing is now already so easy via the likes of Twinmotion, that the time savings involved in iteratively verbalising change requirements vs just implementing them directly may be marginal in most cases.

 

PAUL KING | https://www.prime.net.nz
ArchiCAD 8-28 | Twinmotion 2024
Windoze 11 PC | Intel Core i9 10900K | Nvidia Gforce RTX 3080 | 32 Gb DDR3 | 2x4K monitor extended desktop

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