Does anyone use Calculation?
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‎2005-05-22 03:30 AM
I am no stranger to relational databases, having cut my teeth on Foxbase. However, this Calculation stuff (except at its most basic level) is so completely ill-explained.
Lessee, in the history of ArchiCAD Talk Forum there are a total of 37 topics about Calculation, yet thousands about other subjects. This suggests to me this is not a closely-followed topic! Is there anyone out there really using this thing? You wouldn't think so, based on the conversation around here.
It is ridiculous that G'soft can create such an elegant/intuitive CAD model-building environment, while Calculation languishes in the geekdom of relational database development. Just try making sense out of Descriptors and Components and thinking about a simple quantity take-off and ending up with something that doesn't require an export to another application to be used.
Hint to G'soft -
1 Show a half-dozen REAL WORLD uses of list creation and a step-by-step description of how "easy" it is done.
2 Redesign the entire thing to be as easy to do as something in FileMaker (former Claris product.)
3 Drop it from the product, in the same way the Interior Wizard should be dropped becuz it doesn't work either.
OK - rant off
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‎2005-05-22 03:23 PM
Absolutely anything and everything can be accessed, but you will need to put in a bit of work.
Lessee, in the history of ArchiCAD Talk Forum there are a total of 37 topics about CalculationBTW I dont think this calculate section has been running very long.
Cheers
Ben

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‎2005-05-23 02:49 PM
We use the Interactive Scheduler all the time. The other stuff..... well, let's just say it's collected dust since we installed Archicad 8.0 two years ago.
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‎2005-05-23 04:08 PM
send me you email and I will email you a pdf manual that might help.
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‎2005-05-23 07:31 PM
Ben wrote:Ben and all,
If you have experience with relational databases, I would suggest you install the ODBC Driver and link directly into the plan via ODBC with a decent relational database like filemaker or access ...
Using SQL seems like an interesting prospect. I like the idea of being able to query the models and generate reports from something like Filemaker or Access...Obviously, this wouldn't be a solution for the casual user but could be a potentially powerful method for more technically integrated companies like large volume builders, construction contractors etc. This could be a more direct way to link information generated from a model into other Back Office systems.
Perhaps Karl or someone can comment on this potential. By the way, maybe someone could also comment on how quantified info is delivered in newer products like constructor/estimator....how about ArchiFM as well?
Thanks,
Dan k
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‎2005-06-23 03:54 PM
Ben wrote:I posted a comment a while back regarding the potential of SQL and haven't seen any response. Is anybody out there exploring this possibility??? Karl you out there?...please chime in with a comment or two
If you have experience with relational databases, I would suggest you install the ODBC Driver and link directly into the plan via ODBC with a decent relational database like filemaker or access (the information gained through ODBC is slightly limited as opposed to property scripts/objects but still very handy...
Ben
The idea of querying any ArchiCAD PLN file outside of archiCAD is very enticing! I'm relatively new to SQL and have only played with the SQL prompt inside of ArchiCAD. You can really get some informative results without having to set up special listing routine or Interactive Schedules
Imagine what you could do with any DBMS by not having to work directly inside of ArchiCAD...the possibilities are incredible.
Many users may not yet be aware of this feature. If so, go to your ArchiCAD help menu and do a search for "SQL"...you'll find some interesting info there.
Please explore and let us know your thoughts about it
Dan K

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‎2005-06-23 04:55 PM

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‎2005-06-23 05:47 PM
I'm relatively new to SQL and have only played with the SQL prompt inside of ArchiCAD. You can really get some informative results without having to set up special listing routine or Interactive Schedules
Access and Filemaker have a Query or SQL wizard, that will create the sql for you. (Although it pays to know a little)
I have used the ODBC engine and Filemaker to create energy rating forms (with relevant data gained from ArchiCAD), bills of quantities, Rapid estimating Databases, Furniture schedules, finish schedules, etc etc.
Like I said, if you have a bit of experience in Databases, the ODBC engine is the go. It will let you do ANY sort of calculation on the raw ArchiCAD data. (yes you can get into library part parameters) But be prepared

Good luck
lagodue said
2 Redesign the entire thing to be as easy to do as something in FileMaker (former Claris product.)
just use filemaker!!!!

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‎2005-06-23 09:06 PM
Dan wrote:Sorry guys, missed this thread ... have been traveling and cranking on projects.
I posted a comment a while back regarding the potential of SQL and haven't seen any response. Is anybody out there exploring this possibility??? Karl you out there?...please chime in with a comment or two
I agree with Ben that the ODBC driver has a lot to offer ... but only to Windows users. AFAIK, there is still no announced plan for a Mac version.
The ODBC is a one-way ticket - information is read-only. (Anyone needing 2-way interaction has to write a custom add-on via the API.)
An interesting thing to note is that the data scheme for the ODBC driver is not the same as for the SQL command in the Calculate menu. Thus, if you use Access to construct a query based on the ODBC schema, that query may not work if pasted into the Calculate Menu SQL box. Don't ask me why they did this; I'm just the messenger.
The Calculate forum is new. Previously, these topics were covered in other forums. Do a Search for SQL (for example) to find those other messages...if the admin still allows 3-letter searches.
Karl

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‎2005-06-24 10:12 PM
The other is a similar one, but a more complex one. It involves writing out data to files, then regenerating the list during which phase it reads back data from those files and creates the list. This is used in Marketing materials for apartments. I attach one such page.
From data of the Zone, I generate text strings like the exact location of a flat (City, street, number, floor etc.), the number of rooms/half rooms/balconies, and various other data needed for marketing documents. These string are then displayed in the list. One such page is made for each apartment.
So we use it quite extensively. But it required creating special zone stamps and creating special graphic templates.
PS.: Sorry, the attached stuff is in Hungarian

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