Window Types...not showing "all" types?

[rob2218]

So I have this "out of the box" window type schedule.
it's not showing "all" the window types.
dunno really where to go to adjust the settings.
it seems I always have a hard time with "schedules". They are like a foreign language to me. even an "out of the box" one.....I can never get them to work right.
Schedules and Types......no matter door nor window....anyhow, help would be appreciated.

[Laszlo Nagy]

What happens if you uncheck the "Merge Uniform Items" checkbox at the top of the Options panel to the left of the generated Schedule?

[Barry Kelly]

Do you mean it is not showing the criteria for "All Window Types"? (see attached image).

I am not sure where this comes from - I think it may be a schedule that was created in an older version and just used in the newer template.

In the AUS template I don't have the "Window Type" schedule you show but when I open our window schedule the criteria is "All Window Types".
If I swap it for "Window" it appears to work just exactly the same and then the "All Window Types" criteria disappears from the available list and can't be selected again.
And it is not there when creating new schedules.
There shouldn't be any difference.

Or are you saying you have windows in your model that are not showing in the schedule?

Barry.

[rob2218]

Hopefully the graphics will clear this up.
when I remove (uncheck) the "merge uniform items" as Lasz suggested...the window type show me ALL of them, and that's fine...but....I don't understand why when that box is checked....I only see ONE when in fact I have many more types than just ONE....dunno...just odd behaviour.

Now...the suggestion Lasz had was fine...but it's more of a combination of what Lasz suggested and ALL of them showing. I would presume that the "merge uniform items" would YES, show the ones that were the same as in one column and show the other types that are different in other columns....but not to only show ONE type in this particular schedule.

Again I ask...why is it not showing all the different types when the box is checked? Cause there are different types there.

[DGSketcher]

The columns will populate according to the parameters you have listed in the scheme settings. If you have only used one component and you aren't scheduling any other parameters then it will switch like you have shown. If you add width to the criteria to list then the display will switch between showing all the windows and few columns where windows are grouped if their width is the same. The more criteria you add the more columns you will have when the windows are grouped depending on the differences.

You may find these links useful...

http://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/guides/archicad-18-int-reference-guide/views-of-the-virtual-buildin...

http://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/guides/archicad-18-int-reference-guide/views-of-the-virtual-buildin...

http://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/guides/archicad-18-int-reference-guide/views-of-the-virtual-buildin...

[Barry Kelly]

OK so nothing to do with my previous reply.

Just to reinforce what DGSketcher says.
You are only scheduling the elevation view at the moment.
It seems this may be the same window but with different settings.
Because you aren't scheduling those settings (height, width, ID, etc) Archicad is assuming it is the same window and can not differentiate that the elevation view is different - so it just chooses one of the objects to display (all the objects have the same name so it can't differentiate them).
Even if you were to schedule the window name as well that would make no difference if you are in fact using the same window object for all of them.

Barry.

[Barry Kelly]

Actually I just tested and even if the windows are different objects then when scheduling just the elevation view and 'Show uniform objects as single entry' then only one elevation shows.
I would say this is a bug because even though not scheduling the object name, it is still a different object.
Not an important bug as usually you would schedule more information (fields) that would make them unique and if you are not then just un-tick the merge box.

Barry.

[Laszlo Nagy]

Here is my theory about this:
The Elevation View is not a Schedule value you can quantify. It is just a bunch of lines and fills. It is not a number or a text or anything you can logically compare to another number or text. Maybe you would have to have a image recognition program to tell the difference between the Elevation Views of a 90x150 Window and a 120x180 Window. So an Elevation View is just not a field that is taken into consideration when processing the effect of the Merge Uniform Items checkbox.

If one now says: "but it is so plain to see that those Windows are not the same size", then I say that the program would have to compare the width and height values of those Windows to know that, which are different Schedule Fields that are not displayed so are not taken into consideration.

As I was once told by a Graphisoft programmer: things that are very easy for us to identify and differentiate are sometimes very hard and laborious for a computer program to identify and differentiate, and vice versa.

There could probably be solutions:
One is to actually try to differentiate between those generated Views in the Schedule. But I don't know how complicated a task that would be.
The other would be the ability to have hidden Schedule Rows/Columns. That way values in that given Row or Column could be taken into consideration, but the Row/Column could be hidden in the generated Schedule. This is something that would be useful in other scenarios as well, in my opinion.

[rob2218]

well, then there is a FATAL flaw in the program when you can't separate out "door types" unless you include their sizes...it's just not correct.
a "door type" is a "door type"...NOT flush, paneled, dutch...etc...but a TYPE...such as A, B, C, D and the 2D picture of the door "TYPE" shows what "type" it is....but to not be able to get that into the door schedule is ridiculous.

And to have to have the need to show dimensions in both a "DOOR SCHEDULE" and the "DOOR TYPES" because the door types list needs some diferentiating variable to show you ALL the door types....it's just plain incorrect.

I'm having a hard time understanding "why" Archicad can't get a door type to have "letters" and those letters correspond to letters in a column in the "DOOR SCHEDULE".....

awaiting comments...............

laszlonagy wrote:
Here is my theory about this:
The Elevation View is not a Schedule value you can quantify. It is just a bunch of lines and fills. It is not a number or a text or anything you can logically compare to another number or text. Maybe you would have to have a image recognition program to tell the difference between the Elevation Views of a 90x150 Window and a 120x180 Window. So an Elevation View is just not a field that is taken into consideration when processing the effect of the Merge Uniform Items checkbox.

If one now says: "but it is so plain to see that those Windows are not the same size", then I say that the program would have to compare the width and height values of those Windows to know that, which are different Schedule Fields that are not displayed so are not taken into consideration.

As I was once told by a Graphisoft programmer: things that are very easy for us to identify and differentiate are sometimes very hard and laborious for a computer program to identify and differentiate, and vice versa.

There could probably be solutions:
One is to actually try to differentiate between those generated Views in the Schedule. But I don't know how complicated a task that would be.
The other would be the ability to have hidden Schedule Rows/Columns. That way values in that given Row or Column could be taken into consideration, but the Row/Column could be hidden in the generated Schedule. This is something that would be useful in other scenarios as well, in my opinion.

[Barry Kelly]

rob2218 wrote:
well, then there is a FATAL flaw in the program when you can't separate out "door types" unless you include their sizes...it's just not correct.

You can if the door types are unique - no need to list the sizes.
But you can't do it by the elevation view alone.
You have to include a field for the "door type"

rob2218 wrote:
a "door type" is a "door type"...NOT flush, paneled, dutch...etc...but a TYPE...such as A, B, C, D and the 2D picture of the door "TYPE" shows what "type" it is....but to not be able to get that into the door schedule is ridiculous.

You call a door type "A" but I call it "Flush".
It is just a name but the problem is GS have scripted their door panels as "Flush", "French Panel", "H-V grid", etc., and then curiously the others are "Style 1", "Style 2", etc. - at least in the AUS library.

Seems odd to have a descriptive name for a few and then generic numbering for the rest.

Unless you want to get into the GDL scripting and automate the A,B,C, types then the next best thing is you can used the "User Defined" parameters and type in just what you want.
The thing is it will be manual and you will need to do it for each door you use.
But then you can add this "User Defined" parameter as a field in your schedule by using the "Add Object Parameters" button in the schedule settings.

rob2218 wrote:
And to have to have the need to show dimensions in both a "DOOR SCHEDULE" and the "DOOR TYPES" because the door types list needs some diferentiating variable to show you ALL the door types....it's just plain incorrect.

As mentioned before no need for dimensions if you include the door types (or user defined) field.

rob2218 wrote:
I'm having a hard time understanding "why" Archicad can't get a door type to have "letters" and those letters correspond to letters in a column in the "DOOR SCHEDULE".....

It can just not out of the box.

Barry.