Sample of a CD set?

[Jacques Toerien]

Can anybody post an example of UNLINKED true BIM CD's? (Plans, sections & elevations) All thats posted on the gallery section of the GS site is tons of pretty colour images, but no CD's...This is afterall a program to create CD's and related information?! Anybody have any UK related CD's?

Many thanks.

Jacques.

PS- Don't mind if you wanna watermark them!

[Anonymous]

I can't really post examples as they are all under my clients' copyrights, and I am not in the UK either. (The 256KB limit is also a bit of a problem.) But I do have a question.

What do you mean by UNLINKED true BIM CDs? I do unlink my sections and elevations, though they remain entirely as derived from the model, and details are a bit of a mixed bag, but plans are all live model views (pretty much of necessity).

[Jacques Toerien]

Thanks for the reply Matthew.

What I'm after really is an example of elevations/sections done for production, that haven't been unlinked...Therefor renedering the elevation as a 2D 'drawing' instead of a live link to the model.

ArchiCAD is a 'virtual building' creator, and I think that once you unlink the view you loose the 'virtual' bit...

As for the copyright I can quite understand that. Maybe a project that didn't go ahead or was shelved before it got to site?

A pdf would do.

Also, some CD's in the gallery would be nice. (by permission ofcourse)

-Jacques.

[Djordje]

Jacques wrote:
Can anybody post an example of UNLINKED true BIM CD's? (Plans, sections & elevations) All thats posted on the gallery section of the GS site is tons of pretty colour images, but no CD's...This is afterall a program to create CD's and related information?! Anybody have any UK related CD's?

AFAIK earlier there WAS an example from UK included in ArchiCAD installation, and you should look into layout books, not ArchiCAD files. That is where the CDs are being put together.

Your best bet IMHO would be to look for a fellow user of greater mileage in the vicinity, as "a set of CDs" is as specific as "a four door car" ... 😉

[__archiben]

jacques

what exactly are you after, and could i ask why?

are you are looking for examples to try and understand best practice use of archiCAD, or maybe you aren't yet using archiCAD but would like to see the concept in action?

try one or two of the bigger UK dealers (or your own?) - i'm sure that they would be able to assist if it was for a good cause . . . and they would probably be able to lay their hands on something tailored to suit your needs.

~/archiben

[Anonymous]

Jacques wrote:
Thanks for the reply Matthew.

You're welcome.

What I'm after really is an example of elevations/sections done for production, that haven't been unlinked...Therefor renedering the elevation as a 2D 'drawing' instead of a live link to the model.

The way I work there really is no difference between Model and Drawing (aka "linked" & "unlinked") views as far as the output goes. The only difference is the ability to modify the model, and I have no need (or desire for that matter) to edit the model in my finished drawings.

ArchiCAD is a 'virtual building' creator, and I think that once you unlink the view you loose the 'virtual' bit...

Forgive my bluntness, but I think this is nonsense. There are degrees of integration with the model, but there is nothing about the drawing view that necessarily makes it any less a product of the building model than the live model view. I would like to stop referring to Drawing Views as being unlinked (I think Graphisoft should change the command from "Unlink section..." to "Convert to drawing..."). They are more properly seen as output views. They retain a full link to the model in so far as they can be easily regenerated at any time. I think the fact that they are not automatically updated is an advantage. I prefer to control when and how my drawings change.

As for the copyright I can quite understand that. Maybe a project that didn't go ahead or was shelved before it got to site?

A pdf would do.

Also, some CD's in the gallery would be nice. (by permission ofcourse)

-Jacques.

I do think the idea of posting more CD examples to the gallery is a good one. I will see if there is anything I can do. The best format would probably be low-rez PDFs; set to show enough detail for reference but not enough for actual construction.


PS:

Please excuse my getting on the soap box above, but the "unlinking" thing always gets me going.

I have no objection whatever to using the Model Views for producing final output. I often do it myself in SD and DD phases (as long as the building is simple enough or the computer powerful enough). I just object to the assumption (which seems prevalent) that the Drawing Views are somehow less BIM than the model views.

I have been a tireless proponent of the "Virtual Building" concept since purchasing "Architrion" in 1988 (and switching to ArchiCAD as soon as I saw it about six months later) and remember only too well making elevations in the truly unlinked fashion (save 3D view as 2D lines file to be edited - extensively).

A successful process is always going to be a compromise between the ideal and the real. A model is always going to be a simplified schematic representation. We must also remember that we are not just modeling the building in the computer but also the design process.

Ultimately all that matters (as far as CAD systems go) is finding the way(s) for each of us to achieve the best product with the least effort possible, so that we can improve the world with better buildings, neighborhoods & cities, and and still have time to be with our kids, our families, and our friends. (Or looking for friends to make kids and families with 😉 )

Thanks for putting up with my ranting. Cheers to all...

[Jacques Toerien]

~/archiben wrote:

are you are looking for examples to try and understand best practice use of archiCAD, or maybe you aren't yet using archiCAD but would like to see the concept in action?

Both, really. More toward the 'best practice use' I suppose I'll have to go and see my local 'reseller' for a demo.

Thanks.

-Jacques.

[vfrontiers]

Matt,

Finally someone who thinks as I do... I get pretty tired of hearing that DRAWING elevs are crap... But I get MORE TIRED of waiting for the damn LINKED elevs to generate every bleeping time I want to look at them!

Anyway... thanks for chiming in...

And... in the Vector World... there is NO such thing as a LOW RES PDF! You will have to convert your VECTOR PDF's to LOW RES jpg's or something. I had been touring with a SLIDESHOW of low res CD's for mac.... But at ACUWest, we'll get to see the real deal in Plotmaker as well.

[James Murray]

Matthew wrote:
...easily regenerated at any time.

In practice, what is your method for doing this?

The choices are, 1) Open each view and Display | Rebuild From Model. 2) Display | Section/Elevations | Rebuild All Drawing S/Es from Model.

1) is slow, no slower than opening model views, but you have to remember to do it. With a model view, even if you haven't opened it lately, PM will do it for you when you update the view.

2) is convenient, dangerously so. I tend to stay away from commands containing the word 'All'. For S/Es that are truly unlinked, that is, copied sideways and edited extensively, they should almost never be relinked. For me the only drawings I do this with are wall sections. If I relink such a drawing, my work is safe, but I've added the fresh model view on the side. In PM, this will display if the drawing frame is set 'Fit Frame to Drawing.' I have to (remember to) open the wall sections and delete the new model stuff.

I would want to be able to select S/Es in the plan and choose Rebuild. (The ability to group S/Es would help a lot here.)

Once again, it's about finding a balance between speed, automation, and control. Waiting for model views to generate is slow, but it's reliable. And if the !@#$% section rebuild was optional like it should be, the question would be moot.

A side question, your project files must be gigantic. No problem?

Listening, skeptical,