Issue with OSX 10.3.3 and server llibraries

[tsturm]

Hello to all Mac users running 10.3.3 with libraries located on remote machines. Just ignore, those who are running Windows as I am sure you are unaffected.

I am attaching a picture of the before and after of the Library Manager window.

I, last week, installed the 10.3.3 update of OS X. Then I went to work on a new project. I opened a new file. Then went to attach our office library standards from our server. I found that I could see the server, but cannot open the arrow to see the directories to add the specific directory where our parts are.

I can run projects which have the libraries already attached. They load fine. I cannot add any additional libraries to projects. I am having to have others add the libraries for me, save and close the file, so I can work on them.

Is there anyone else having the same problem. I thought this might be an existing file problem. So I did a New & Reset. Nothing has changed. Should I trash my preference file?

[__archiben]

tsturm wrote:
Ben had stated in one of his posted that the volumes were "share points". So it took me some time to figure out how to configure the XServe to change the sharing properties of the contents so that I could then access these "share points". This all had to be done from within the Workgroup Manager application which comes with the XServe. Once I had made the "share points", like making a folder as a shared volume under OS 9 instead of the entire hard drive.

ah, so you read the manual when you first got it then?

Matthew wrote:
Just for the record, the issue is not with XServe (the hardware) but with OS X Server (the software).

i would go as far as saying the their was no real problem - just an incorrect configuration. that's not to say that there aren't any quirks in apple's filesharing protocol . .

[matthew - so that's what you look like?! ]

~/archiben

[Anonymous]

~/archiben wrote:

Matthew wrote:
Just for the record, the issue is not with XServe (the hardware) but with OS X Server (the software).

i would go as far as saying the their was no real problem - just an incorrect configuration. that's not to say that there aren't any quirks in apple's filesharing protocol . .

That's why I diplomatically referred to it as an "issue"

[matthew - so that's what you look like?! ]

~/archiben

Partly... I guess it's more recognizable than you are in hat and goggles

Did you catch the color version earlier today? I decided this one is less distracting.

[__archiben]

Matthew wrote:
Did you catch the color version earlier today?

yeah - i do also recall seeing the full colour version in nottingham last year. . .

maybe i ought to lose the hat and goggles . . . it's springtime after all.

~/archiben

[Aussie John]

Matthew and Ben are correct- set up users and put them into a common group eg staff on the xserve and then select the appropriate folder to serve. a single hard drive could have a number of servers on it.

That said you can get problems which I havent been able to resolve where an file created by a user often sets the permissions so only the user has access ( ie the group is set to read only).

Setting permissions seems to be an artform I have yet to conquer.

[__archiben]

Aussie wrote:
That said you can get problems which I havent been able to resolve where an file created by a user often sets the permissions so only the user has access ( ie the group is set to read only).

Setting permissions seems to be an artform I have yet to conquer.

john

rather than using standard UNIX behaviour, change your share's access protocols to "Inherit permissions from parent". this ensures that any file will take on the permissions of the enclosing folder or share that you initially assign, rather than the permissions of the user creating them. i'm not sure whether this is a ideal set-up or not, but it has prevented us from experiencing the problems that you state and we haven't had any problems since going this route. see attached screenshot...

the thing that you always have to remember with permissions is that they affect only the top level contents of the folder or sharepoint they are attributed to. so subsequent nested folders can have different permissions and allow different levels of access.

1. this is useful for creating controlled 'gateways' into further information that can be less restrictive. i.e. 'locking' top level project folders whilst allowing read/write access within them: the whole project can't be deleted accidentally in one go!

2. clicking "Copy these privileges to enclosed items" combined with using the 'inherit parents permissions' is an easy way to create a 'clean slate' from which to start.

3. use groups to control access rather than going the ownership route, even if you are creating groups with a single person in them: it is more flexible in the long run and means that your sys-admin user can still 'own' everything if something goes wrong.

like you, i saw permissions as a bit of an art-form a year ago. but i've made that many mistakes that a few lessons have been learnt along the way!

HTH
~/archiben

[Aussie John]

thanks Ben that looks like the answer

[tsturm]

Gentlemen

I thought my problems were over until I started working on a LOCAL library to prepare it for a PLA version.

I am currently not able to access my applications folder to load my LOCAL ArchiCAD library. Everytime I go to the Library Manager it seems there is some folder which will not open up to let me see the contents.

This started out on the folder which I was working out Locally from. I moved all the contents to another folder and deleted the old one. Things seemed good until I went to load the LOCAL ArchiCAD library. I am not able to open this directory.

I have tried to fix my directory permissions to see if this would repair the sitation. Nope. I have quit AC 8.1v2 several times to see if this would corrent the situation. Not yet.

Anyone having issues with working on NEW files where you have to attach libraries?

I thought this was only a sharepoint issue with my XServer. Now it seems to be a different issue. I have not a clue where to solve this problem. I am the administrator on the computer. I have access to everything. What is going on???????

CALGONE take me away from this alllllllll

[Aussie John]

Has anyone noticed if you access a folder via an alias that the parts in that part of the lib dont load?

[__archiben]

tsturm wrote:
Everytime I go to the Library Manager it seems there is some folder which will not open up to let me see the contents.

This started out on the folder which I was working out Locally from. I moved all the contents to another folder and deleted the old one. Things seemed good until I went to load the LOCAL ArchiCAD library. I am not able to open this directory.

any chance you've been using the same file on a PC . . . or that the library you're working on has been loaded/opened/browsed by a PC?

tsturm wrote:
What is going on???????

try moving the parts out to completely new folders - do not copy any of the old folders in their entirety. let me know if this works. . . .

~/archiben

[tsturm]

Ben

I have not used the file on a PC. We are a Mac only office. I did run Virtual PC 5.0. Would this affect my system? I did not look through the Mac's directories when I used the Virtual Windows. I only went to a Website which Safari was not able to display corrently.

I have attached a picture which shows the Library Manager and the finder's window of the ArchiCAD Folder. Note that in Library Manager there is not arrow next to the Applications folder. This would indicate that there are no subdirectories in this folder. However, as you can see in the image on the right that there are quite a few. Can anyone from GS chime in as to what is causing this problem? This has been going on for some time for our office since we upgraded to OSX 10.3.x. We need to get access to these libraries.

The three other computers running 8.1v2 on OSX 10.3.3 machines are not yet having this same problem. They have also not run the Virtual PC software. I cannot understand how running Virtual PC could be the cause as only some of the directories are not showing up correctly. I also had a problem with another directory which I managed to get back into by taking the contents out and into a new directory. I am not sure if doing this to the Applications folder would fix the problem.

Does GS know what is causing this problem??