show windows as symbolic when above or below cut plane

[heathldesign]

I have windows in a wall at different heights and so the cut plane can only "cut" one window or the other, but not both. how can i have them both showing in the same view? i read a post from 2006 that says the symbolic floor plan display shows the window as cut regardless of the cut plane setting, but that must have been changed since then. 

[Barry Kelly · Accepted solution]

You need to set your wall as symbolic as well.

Barry.

[heathldesign]

ooooooh. yep, that worked. i have to say that i find the user guide seriously lacking in instruction. didn't mention that in anything i read. 

once again, thanks Barry

[ddonn]

the thing I don't understand about this is that if the wall is set to "symbolic," it has to be set to "home story only" ("symbolic" can't be accessed otherwise), however, the wall won't appear the second floor if stretches from the ground to the roof (past two or more floors).  Is the fix to just model walls per floor? or am i missing something?

thanks!  

don

[Barry Kelly]

Symbolic walls can be 'Home Storey' or 'All Relevant Storeys'.

Barry.

[MendoPermaculture]

I am having the same issue, following all replies above. In response to Barry Kelly's last screenshot, I see the same options as he is displaying, but once I select "All Relevant Stories", the Floor Plan Display automatically changes to "Projected with Overhead". Is there a way around this?

In my case, I have several walls on different stories of a split level house, which I want to display in one Floor Plan view, with all windows & doors in walls on "Entry Level" and "Upper Level" stories displaying as symbolic. My fix is to place all the walls on the same story, regardless of their elevation, and use that story to display the Floor Plan.

[Barry Kelly]

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@MendoPermaculture wrote:

I am having the same issue, following all replies above. In response to Barry Kelly's last screenshot, I see the same options as he is displaying, but once I select "All Relevant Stories", the Floor Plan Display automatically changes to "Projected with Overhead". Is there a way around this?

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No.

As soon as you choose 'All Relevant Storeys' the wall will use the Floor Plan Cutting Plane, so 'Symbolic' is no longer an option.

"Symbolic' ignores the FPCP and just shows you the wall as it was set up in the composite, regardless of it's height or position.

Barry.

[Lingwisyer]

Symbolic windows in an All Relevant Stories wall has not changed...

*AC22 - 3m storey height.

As long as the window falls within the storey being viewed, the window will show. Or are we talking about not even cutting the walls in question? Such as when you have a multiple buildings on a sloped site? There is are seperate threads regarding that. The short answer to that is to either stitch multiple views with different FPCPs or to only use single storey symbolic walls.

Ling.

[ddonn]

thanks all, i just hope someone at Graphicsoft can read this thread and recognize how convoluted this all seems.  just trying to get doors and windows to show on the appropriate floor when a wall stretches from ground to roof across multiple floors (balloon frame), without the windows or doors stacking on top of each other in floor plan views.  must be user error on my end and lack of understanding some highly intricate nuance, seems like Ling is right, the work around is to model each wall on its own story so that the "home story" option can be selected and therefore "un-greying" the "symbolic cut" option.  This creates added complexity to the model, more room for error, potential odd graphic edges and seems counter to building systems such as balloon framing etc.  

[Lingwisyer]

If you are not working with staggered floor levels across a sloping site, there should be no need to model the walls by storey. As shown in my image above, windows 1 to 3 are linked to storey 1 but only windows 1 and 2 show on storey 1. Window 1 being within the cut plane, window 2 being above but still within the storey and window 3 being outside of the storey. Window 4 also shows on storey 1 even though it is linked to storey 2 and is above the cut plane, since it overlaps with storey 1.

Ling.