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ArchiCAD 11

Anonymous
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ArchiCAD 11 will come soon (as much as I suspect..)
What can AC 11 do better than AC10?
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TomWaltz wrote:
That's my problem. I don't believe there's enough to save every single user one hour (total: 32 work hours) every week.
How about the potential reduction in coordination errors? Having the detail references more "live" means less chance that a builder will be referred to the wrong detail. That's got to be worth something. (Don't ask me how I know. )
Richard
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Richard Morrison, Architect-Interior Designer
AC26 (since AC6.0), Win10
TomWaltz
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Richard wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
That's my problem. I don't believe there's enough to save every single user one hour (total: 32 work hours) every week.
How about the potential reduction in coordination errors? Having the detail references more "live" means less chance that a builder will be referred to the wrong detail. That's got to be worth something. (Don't ask me how I know. )
I've been a fan of BIM for some time now, with "potential reduction in coordination errors" as a major selling point. To some extent, though, the drawings still have to be checked and redmarks picked up.

In my experience, the improvement in architectural coordination was huge and well worth in initial investment in Archicad. While I like the idea of Archicad's Detail and Section referencing tools (almost) working as they should, I've found most people can fill in a marker without a computer's help and it really does not take any longer.
Tom Waltz
TomWaltz wrote:
I've found most people can fill in a marker without a computer's help and it really does not take any longer.


REALLY? This has not been my experience at all. Drawings are moving around all of the time (especially when you create a Layout Book @ SD's -- there's no way it will be arranged the same way by the time you wrap up CD's). Filling in a marker is one thing, managing it is another.

And you must not do many interior elevations? I believe everyone will save an hour a week with the interior elevation feature alone.

You've been kinda negative lately, Tom -- play around with Revit awhile, maybe that will cheer you up .
MacBook Pro Apple M2 Max, 96 GB of RAM
AC27 US (5003) on Mac OS Ventura 13.6.2
Started on AC4.0 in 91/92/93; full-time user since AC8.1 in 2004
Anonymous
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Laura wrote:
You've been kinda negative lately, Tom -- play around with Revit awhile, maybe that will cheer you up .
Hey, hey... none of that: no depressing the visitors
Anonymous
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metanoia wrote:
Laura wrote:
You've been kinda negative lately, Tom -- play around with Revit awhile, maybe that will cheer you up .
Hey, hey... none of that: no depressing the visitors
It is always good to hear from you from the other side (the greener!?)

Joseph
TomWaltz
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Laura wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
I've found most people can fill in a marker without a computer's help and it really does not take any longer.


REALLY? This has not been my experience at all. Drawings are moving around all of the time (especially when you create a Layout Book @ SD's -- there's no way it will be arranged the same way by the time you wrap up CD's). Filling in a marker is one thing, managing it is another.

And you must not do many interior elevations? I believe everyone will save an hour a week with the interior elevation feature alone.
We do interior elevations by the dozen, but we've never needed to fake the markers. I should have specified, the markers we have needed to fake (usually the detail within a detail) usually do not require much.
You've been kinda negative lately, Tom -- play around with Revit awhile, maybe that will cheer you up .
Seeing AC11 had that effect on me. I really had my hopes up for something earth shattering... more of a bang than a whimper.
Tom Waltz
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"Laura Yanoviak" wrote:


I'm going through the same thing right now (32 seats) -- I think you have to look at the time saved per user per week and the average weekly salary: If all users save 1 hour a week (and I believe they will, given the new features), the upgrade pays for itself. That's my argument, anyway (we'll see if it works)...

To save one hour with AC 10 I had to learn and experiment and explore...
One example is the logical link system with marker and navigator.
To do such like job we need time to exercise.
I use often profile manager for every possible construction-part.
Curved wall with this will be nice but without curved wall it is also OK.
Still I need more exercise to save one hour with AC 10.
Still I am happy with AC 10.
I consider AC 12 but AC11....
TomWaltz wrote:
With the latest price increase from GS, Autocad with Revit is now cheaper annually than Archicad is... ($895 for Archicad, $725 for Autocad/Revit)...
You do know about the promotion going on right now, where an AC11 upgrade is $695 via the subscription?
MacBook Pro Apple M2 Max, 96 GB of RAM
AC27 US (5003) on Mac OS Ventura 13.6.2
Started on AC4.0 in 91/92/93; full-time user since AC8.1 in 2004
TomWaltz
Participant
Laura wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
With the latest price increase from GS, Autocad with Revit is now cheaper annually than Archicad is... ($895 for Archicad, $725 for Autocad/Revit)...
You do know about the promotion going on right now, where an AC11 upgrade is $695 via the subscription?
I didn't know that I've heard nothing from my reseller (anyone want a new client?). They only told me about the price increase.

I can't say it changes anything though. I still think that's too much for such a minor upgrade. On another note, senior management flipped over the idea of having to pay ~$25K a year just to keep our CAD software current.
Tom Waltz
TomWaltz wrote:
I've heard nothing from my reseller
Me neither -- I stumbled upon it on another reseller's website, and gave my guy a call.
MacBook Pro Apple M2 Max, 96 GB of RAM
AC27 US (5003) on Mac OS Ventura 13.6.2
Started on AC4.0 in 91/92/93; full-time user since AC8.1 in 2004