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ArchiCAD and Revit Evaluation Criteria

Anonymous
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Greetings,

We're a mid-size architectural firm (50-75 people) located on the East Coast of the US specializing in commercial, educational, higher education, retail, and corporate markets. We've been using AutoCAD and ADT for quite some time now with SketchUp being used almost exclusively for all SD and DD imaging. We've come to the conclusion that these tools have out lived their usefulness.

We've started an evaluation process looking at both ArchiCAD and Revit. Our team (8 people) will be professionally trained by outside consultants so they can competently evaluating both tools.

We need suggestions on what type of information gets included in our evaluation criteria. Has anyone gone through this process with both programs? If so, can you give us any tips or directions on what we should be looking for? What are the current advantages and pitfalls to using either program?

Is ArchiCAD generally better than Revit?

Thanks I advance for any replies. We’ll keep everyone updated on our evaluation process.

mj2
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Anonymous
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I repeat:
with a little knowledge of Revit, I could quickly do things that with Archicad I don't think I could do it or probably it would take a few years.

Where's the problem?

What u don't understand?

(...)

Please, show me how can I do curved inclined walls, elliptical...etc (see various posted example) with ArchiCAD and I rest my case.

I just need to understand which tools I should use ... simple!


in Revit were easily done in 2 ways:
- With standard walls ("wall by face", applied over mass element)
- Or with In-place family ("Modelling > create >> wall);

In ArchiCAD ... ?

~/archiben wrote:
refs wrote:
Thank you for your 3DS tip, but our objective is to model projects with BIM tool. We have internal 3DS dept ... This works It's not for "renderings".
i guess you missed the heavy sarcasm. doesn't come across at all well in plain text and there's no emoticon.
refs wrote:
All with a "spear pointed to the head" of a simple anonymous BIM beginner that dared to choose Revit over ArchiCAD.

I never thought the opinions and ideas of a beginner, with 3-4 months Revit experience, would enrage such a huge crowd of ArchiCAD fans
my emphasis. the enraging of the archicad audience was nothing to with revit. it was your clear lack of understanding of archicad combined with your saleman-like, annoying demeanour.

~/archiben
refs wrote:
......Seems like I have touched a nerve with all ArchiCAD users. I'm Sorry

If you notice I've raised a question when I initiated my post: "My experience with both"
… Without raising any offences or personal attacks (it's for you Bricklyne Clarence).......
(sigh)

This is fascinating.
Unless I'm completely misreading your most recent post, it seems like you construed my response to your previous post as a "personal attack".

I'm going to go ahead an chalk this one up to the language barrier that obviously exists between us and that seems to be preventing you from expressing yourself as explicitly as you would probably like, and also from understanding me with just as much, if not more, clarity.

However, when you state:
refs wrote:
....In ArchiCAD, I was unable to do this but I do recognize my lack of knowledge with this program… an eight year old Guru ( like Bricklyne Clarence), after numerous personal attacks regarding this question, he confided to me that ArchiCAD did not do that at all, reason why I did not wasted any more time with this program.....
......at no point in my previous post, to the best of my recollection, and perceptive skills, did I "confide" to you (after the alleged " numerous personal attacks regarding your question", no less), that ArchiCAD did not, nor could not, do what you showed here. Nowhere in that post did I state or imply anything that can even be remotely misconstrued as such. So don't put words in my mouth.

My response ( and feel free to read it again to confirm this) was something to the effect that the model example you presented could be accomplished in ArchiCAD by a smart Novice user in no more than 10 minutes; assuming they know what they are doing. Does that say to you that ArchiCAD can't do that?

If, on the other hand, you had actually wanted a step-by-step guide on how to pull that off in ArchiCAD, then you were asking the question in the wrong thread. And there are places in this forum where it would get answered to your complete satisfaction; just not here.

However in the interest of CLARITY; - to build that example in ArchiCAD, I would probably use a cone from the primitive objects library in ArchiCAD, create the appropriate stair using Stairmaker, as well as the windows from the Window library and then create the openings in the cone using boolean functions of Solid Element operations and other ArchiCAD basic modeling objects like roofs and slabs. All of this would be obvious and make sense to anyone who is minimally familiar with the program.
And it's just as easy to do, as is was to explain it.

Was that to your satisfaction?

Finally, when you say that.....
refs wrote:
I take this opportunity to ask if this is easily done in ArchiCAD. This is a doubt I have and I believe I'm in the right place to ask….it's not a question of ArchiCAD being able to do this or not that makes it better or worst, I just need to understand which tools I should use.

It seems, in this forum, who does not defend ArchiCAD is completely condemned by a form of "Inquisition" and invited to leave this share of ideas and opinions ...
...... I'm sorry, but this is not the same intention or attitude you had when you first raised your 'question(s)'. Your questions WERE indeed raised in the spirit of "my software (Revit) is better than your software (ArchiCAD). To prove it, look at what it can do : Your software cant do this without GDL programing, can it?" , and then when provided with evidence to the contrary, you suddenly began to feel "personally attacked".
Which, to me, is particularly fascinating because this seems to be a recurring pattern with you "former ArchiCAD-using" Reviters, ordained in the 'attack-ArchiCAD-using-the-old-GDL-line' order of priesthood. You claim ArchiCAD can't do something that Revit can; an ArchiCAD user provides you proof to the contrary, and then suddenly it's a "personal attack". Like a said before, tragic....... and sad.

I mean, take a look at your response to Milki's example of the domed structure built in ArchiCAD for example. It was that, that model would take you less time to build in Revit and probably "a few years" in ArchiCAD. Yeah, that last part is either a sorry attempt at humour gone woefully awry and a hypocritical underhanded attack on ArchiCAD, while at it, or a sad implication, reflection and indication of your ability and your speed to learn and master the program - if you were really being serious. Or maybe a little of both.


I'm sorry you felt offended by my comment regarding the lack of quality of the example you presented; but seeing as you yourself subsequently admitted that it was a poor example, in your follow-up post, I still can't fathom how you could read anything else in my post as being a personal attack.

My only advice would be that, if you're going to attack or "question" another software's capabilities in that software's Users' Talkback forum, then, you should perhaps grow a thicker skin first, because there are probably people who might be more inclined to really launch actual personal attacks at you,( as opposed to the imagined variety) for incorrect statements such as the ones you're freely making here.

But at the very least, thank you for admitting in your follow-up post, and confirming what other posters and myself have been saying to you regarding your statements on AC in this thread. That your misinformed notions and statements about ArchiCAD and its capabilities are actually rooted in your own lack of experience, skill and knowledge of the program, than they are in the program's perceived or apparent inadequacies.
Anonymous
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darling (Thank's Rob), is it for me? 😉
metanoia wrote:
Don't worry, Bricklyne... many Revit users are indeed covered in hair from head to toe. These hirsute, stocky CAD users lurk under threads in foreign forums and jump out at unexpected times, making obtuse statements as their brains have been damaged by years of experimentation by engineers from San Rafael, California. Pay no heed to them 😉
or is it for u?
Love (Thank's Rob)
😉
__archiben
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refs wrote:
Please, show me how can I do curved inclined walls, elliptical...etc (see various posted example) with ArchiCAD and I rest my case.
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Anonymous
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"censored"

~/archiben wrote:
refs wrote:
Thank you for your 3DS tip, but our objective is to model projects with BIM tool. We have internal 3DS dept ... This works It's not for "renderings".
i guess you missed the heavy sarcasm. doesn't come across at all well in plain text and there's no emoticon.
refs wrote:
All with a "spear pointed to the head" of a simple anonymous BIM beginner that dared to choose Revit over ArchiCAD.

I never thought the opinions and ideas of a beginner, with 3-4 months Revit experience, would enrage such a huge crowd of ArchiCAD fans
my emphasis. the enraging of the archicad audience was nothing to with revit. it was your clear lack of understanding of archicad combined with your saleman-like, annoying demeanour. ] ... censored ??? ... why??? [

~/archiben
Anonymous
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(in Revit):
- With standard walls ("wall by face", applied over mass element)
or
- With In-place family ("Modelling > create >> wall);

(in ArchiCAD)
- which tools I should use?
(3D text?)
~/archiben wrote:
refs wrote:
Please, show me how can I do curved inclined walls, elliptical...etc (see various posted example) with ArchiCAD and I rest my case.
refs wrote:
(in Revit):
- With standard walls ("wall by face", applied over mass element)
or
- With In-place family ("Modelling > create >> wall);

(in ArchiCAD)
- which tools I should use?
The wall tool with an appropriate Custom profile created using the Profile Manager. Or the slant wall function. Or alternatively, Primitive objects with Solid Element Operations. Or some combination of some or all of the above.
No GDL necessary nor used.

Learn the program first before criticizing and questioning it. You'll save everybody - including yourself - a lot of time and pointless questions.
Anonymous
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and this wall it's a "Bim" wall? we can insert objects like doors or windows?

I can't do it ...

Bricklyne wrote:
refs wrote:
(in Revit):
- With standard walls ("wall by face", applied over mass element)
or
- With In-place family ("Modelling > create >> wall);

(in ArchiCAD)
- which tools I should use?
The wall tool with an appropriate Custom profile created using the Profile Manager. Or the slant wall function. Or alternatively, Primitive objects with Solid Element Operations. Or some combination of some or all of the above.
No GDL necessary nor used.

Learn the program first before criticizing and questioning it. You'll save everybody - including yourself - a lot of time and pointless questions.
refs wrote:
and this wall it's a "Bim" wall? we can insert objects like doors or windows?

I can't do it ...
This is pointless.

Did I not say WALL tool? Stop being obstinate for the sake of being contrarian. How can you claim to have used ArchiCAD and yet still not know how a wall behaves or is supposed to behave with regards to doors and windows?

Are you now getting the whole point we've been trying to make about YOU being the one with the problem knowing or learning the program as opposed to the program itself having problems and weaknesses which you seem to be intimating it has?

I'm not going to spell it out for someone who doesn't even have the faintest clue of what I'm talking about, nor who seems the least bit bothered to learn. Either pick up a demo copy of ArchiCAD and try it out for yourself or continue to wallow in your self-imposed dual delusional bliss of just how superior Revit is to ArchiCAD, as well as Autodesk's marketing spin tripe.

Just please spare us the pointless questions whose only purpose is seems to be to poke holes at ArchiCAD's credibility and functionality as a design program, and ingratiate your decision to chose Revit over ArchiCAD, as opposed to actually learning anything about the program.
Erich
Booster
Hi all,

What facinating, impassioned arguments...javascript:emoticon(':D')

I am not using either program yet and have only been exploring both in order to guide my office in the selection of our next production platform. As a result I have only a minumum level of knowlege of either program but must say that even I could product most of the model expamples shown. This is not a difficult as we are only talking about modelling/drawing tools. There does not seem to be a need for such vehemence.

Now, just to add to the mix, Archicad 11 is now out. Take a look at what it can do with a curved canted wall in the preview movies
Erich

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