refs, please check out the AC11. it does the things you are asking for and much, much more, including a lot of things that i'm sure many revit users will be salivating over. maybe you will switch back..? 
but seriously, no one here cares that you think revit is so wonderful for what you do. once the initial period of bliss is over, you will find out that your new software may not be all that perfect either. maybe you are already feeling it, and you need some comfort from others to reaffirm that your choice was a great one. anyway, there is no point in trying to get that kind of love around here. if you have made the switch, just work hard at learning it
but seriously, no one here cares that you think revit is so wonderful for what you do. once the initial period of bliss is over, you will find out that your new software may not be all that perfect either. maybe you are already feeling it, and you need some comfort from others to reaffirm that your choice was a great one. anyway, there is no point in trying to get that kind of love around here. if you have made the switch, just work hard at learning it
i loved the 'like this'..good enough AB'n !!!
from revit reseller:
autocad : $3600
but, we will give u a license of revit for $200 more: $3800 both programs
(i wonder why they sell so many revit licenses
)
and
modules sold separately for $3900 each (struct-mep)
subscription is $750 +-
BUT, even thoufgh revit will go to the shelf most of the times, sooner or later somebody will put their hands on it.
from revit reseller:
autocad : $3600
but, we will give u a license of revit for $200 more: $3800 both programs
(i wonder why they sell so many revit licenses
) and
modules sold separately for $3900 each (struct-mep)
subscription is $750 +-
BUT, even thoufgh revit will go to the shelf most of the times, sooner or later somebody will put their hands on it.
This is pointless!
from Graphisoft:
"Complex element geometry" ... it's now available in AC11. ….Great! ... it's sad this is showing up at least one year late... (for me)
Bricklyne Clarence said it was available before. The new version AC11 is saying this is only available now...who's lying?
where do we stand?
from Graphisoft:
"Complex element geometry" ... it's now available in AC11. ….Great! ... it's sad this is showing up at least one year late... (for me)
Bricklyne Clarence said it was available before. The new version AC11 is saying this is only available now...who's lying?
where do we stand?
Bricklyne wrote:refs wrote:This is pointless.
and this wall it's a "Bim" wall? we can insert objects like doors or windows?
I can't do it ...
Did I not say WALL tool? Stop being obstinate for the sake of being contrarian. How can you claim to have used ArchiCAD and yet still not know how a wall behaves or is supposed to behave with regards to doors and windows?
Are you now getting the whole point we've been trying to make about YOU being the one with the problem knowing or learning the program as opposed to the program itself having problems and weaknesses which you seem to be intimating it has?
I'm not going to spell it out for someone who doesn't even have the faintest clue of what I'm talking about, nor who seems the least bit bothered to learn. Either pick up a demo copy of ArchiCAD and try it out for yourself or continue to wallow in your self-imposed dual delusional bliss of just how superior Revit is to ArchiCAD, as well as Autodesk's marketing spin tripe.
Just please spare us the pointless questions whose only purpose is seems to be to poke holes at ArchiCAD's credibility and functionality as a design program, and ingratiate your decision to chose Revit over ArchiCAD, as opposed to actually learning anything about the program.
refs wrote:You might be right; but I haven't used AC in years and can't comment.
I would just like to make myself clear and state the reasons (evaluation criteria) why I have chosen Revit
I'm not trying to show its problems or imperfections. All I was trying to show was that, after using both, Revit's logic is more easy to learn (intuitive), something that, in my point of view, ArchiCAD is lacking/missing.
- Revit is "complete". ArchiCAD need "add-on" yada yada yada...Revit can't do some of the things AC can do -- particularly with Maxonform. The Maxonform/AC integration is tighter than the deal we've got with Revit. Funny now that Acad+Revit makes more sense because you can model stuff in Acad that Revit can't (yet) handle -- most notably loft-type objects.
- ArchiCAD will required learning a programming language called GDL. In Revit we work with parametric objects called families. We can model parametric families extremely easily without programming language. (We are not programming firm, We are an architectural and engineering firm).Some Revit users might disagree that they can make parametric families in Revit
...it's challenging sometimes even for advanced users. I don't really know if you must know GDL to get by in AC.- We can make anything we want in Revit, yet not in ArchiCAD.I assume this is related to the previous statement?
- Revit it's now like a "platform" … has an MEP and a Structural packages. ArchiCAD doesn't have separate Structural or MEP packages.This is true -- to the chagrin of many who think Revit should be a unified product because they need to work in a multidisciplinary manner (AC developers: take note!) While I don't need this, many do.
- Real online linking with views. Revit revises views instantly. ArchiCAD revise them when the users say so.We do pay a performance price for this, but I think it's worth it. Some like the idea of having these links broken (you can make a crazy change somewhere in a plan and your elevations remain as you wish).
- 2D drawings -vs- 3D Model: Revit is more concerned with the integrity on the drawing set (as built!) than its appearance. ArchiCAD focus the traditional "Rotring" drawing set to architects. ( i.e., stairs 2D plans -vs- stairs 3D model. We can't control the “cut view range” in this kind of objects)I'll have to see this to understand what you're saying. Revit's views are very literal -- fine for new-school users but not as acceptable to old-school users for whom drawings are somewhat more symbolic and representational.
- Revit has modelling tools that ArchiCAD is only adopting now (just some ones)With the new modeling tools in 10/11 and Maxonform in the mix, Revit on its own loses the modeling war at present.
- ArchiCad had ALL the conditions (+20 years) to be "industry standard" and it was unable to do that. Why? Revit is a new product (born in 2000), with a different philosophy, at this moment, it's being the target of greed. For example, look at the deep differences in ArchiCAD10 and strengthened in ArchiCAD11 ... the interface is being simplified in the same way Revit is. Don’t like it? ... ArchiCAD looks like a new and refreshed programAC's poor success is part lousy marketing and poor strategisation. Let's not forget that Revit would have probably DIED has it not been purchased by Adesk. Revit's leasing model was a deal-breaker for too many people, and the company had little street cred, despite the genuises who develop the software. AC is making missteps in Canada, and their lack of marketing acumen means they've never been players. Plus Acad was (i.e. used to be, haha) easy to learn (and pirate), so Adesk had everyone hooked on easy-CAD; architects are fairly conservative so when Revit was rolled out people trusted Adesk's decision to buy Revit and put it into their stable. But Adesk never bought Graphisoft either. Did they consider it? I have no idea: that would be interesting to know.😉 WHY?
Reasons that explain why I choose Revit. This should not be a discussion of what one software does better then the other.... not all programs are perfect, there are always limitations.An experienced AC user will run circles 'round a newbie Revit user. The point: know your software well, and you'll be successful with it. If everyone knew AC well, would they switch to Revit? Not as likely.
If Graphisoft wants to win at this game they need to:
- : continue to develop AC into a product that stands up well against Revit, feature for feature
: make structural and MEP versions of AC and make it cheaper than Revit's similar flavours
: make AC as easy to learn and use as Revit -- Revit's documentation is atrociously incomplete; Reviteers have to become AUGInauts to really become successful (or have good support from a reseller or expert user). So if AC users can say 'the video help files are awesome', people will be willing to risk buying/learning the software
: demonstrate superiority in interoperability and green building applications
: undercut Revit for pricing
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