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ArchiCAD - electonic signature

Anonymous
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Hi all,

I'm trying to find out a way to protect my work, so when I deliver a project in .pln or .pla format, to be sure that only the firm I'm delivering to, is using my plans.
I have the following problem:

I made a project, and I must deliver it to it's owner, in .pla or .pln format. So far so good. But I want to be sure that there is a way to put a so called "electronis signature", in my plans, so that noone can delete it, and when I see a plan, I can verify that is not mine, and they didn't just give it away to anybody.

So...I'm asking you: do you know anything that could help me in this matter?
So I can give the project, anyone can work on it, but still, I can verify that it is or isn't mine?
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Anonymous
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This is an interesting concept. The only problem that I see with it is this: If you need to send your file to someone who needs to be able to modify it, I honestly don't know of a way to prevent them from giving it away to someone else, even if you were to password protect, or use hash keys to go along with it, they could just as easily give those away with the file as well. Unless I'm way off base the best thing that I could come up with would be sometype of an external checksum / log generator that you could first enforce a checksum on the pln file and then request the third party whom is working on the project to re-enforce the file after they make any changes, and before they send it to you.. This would be very annoying to put in to practice though, and you would have to programme the checksum generator in the first place.. So to end my ramble: I have no good ideas.

cheers,
Daniel

PS: if you only need people to b e able to view the plans; save them as PDFs and apply a digital signature there, bu from the sounds of it that won;t work for you
Making it a Teamwork project will help.
I see that you use windows XP Pro? There are networking options you can use where they can log on to your server with a password and access only your ArchiCAD program and nothing else.

Why are you sharing your ArchiCAD plans with someone else? What are they going to do with it?

These things will make a difference.

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Anonymous
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Steve wrote:

Why are you sharing your ArchiCAD plans with someone else? What are they going to do with it?
I have a contract wich specifies that I must delived to the owner of the building the project in .pla, .pln, .pdf format.
OK, I must do that...but I don't want to find my files, 2 months later , in any computer on my town...I don't want that anybody uses it how they want...I have a contract, I will deliver it...but still, I want a way to verify if that is my file or not.....somethig like right click, and "made by..."....or anything else

It's all about copyright. I made something, I want to be sure that is used only by it's owner, and that he can not deliver it to a third party.

I think that this is a realy important issue, which can be foreseen by Graphisoft.
Petros Ioannou
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Dear Paul,
maybe the best way to copyright your work is to have to have that included in the contract you signed.

Petros
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Paul,

What is it about using a Teamwork file that wont work for this in your situation?

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Anonymous
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I 'll try to use teamwork to see if I can obtain what I want.

Petros, it's already mentioned in the contract, but still, is a question, how can I verify a file that it is or it is not mine? It's simple: it is mentioned in the contract, but when I see a file, can I know who's it is?
Anonymous
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As far as I see, there are two different problems involved, which have two different solutions:

1- Copyright issue. You build a file, you want to have the benefits. You do not want to see this files used by third parties, claiming they are theirs.
This problem is common with a LOT of digital material (maybe all material). Once it is replicable, anyone can claim ownership, and this matter can only be solved in court.
Luckily, unlike written text or music, a ArchiCAD (or any other BIM) file is not something easily appropriated. For one, each project is a projects, so there is no special interest in stealing another guys idea, just on reproducing certain aspects and detail of this idea, which is something architects have always done. On the other hand, the very complex structure of any given file of a medium to big size project makes it almost impossible to a third party to take advantage of it. It is easier to just copy it manually (having the plans printed and then building them from scratch, with your own layer/pens/plotmaker/everything settings). This of course is also possible from a pdf or a paper document, so there is no specific problem here.

2- Contractor changing your drawings and then claiming these changes were not made by him. This is a very serious problem, because if you are not careful beforehand, you can get into a whole lot of trouble (even legal trouble).
The american way of solving it (afayk) is putting a disclaimer on each file and drawing. This way, if the going ever gets tough, you can easily bail out. I am not particularly fond of this method.
There are other methods you can try to implement, my favorite (because of its simplicity) being:

You make two DVDs (locked) of the files. You sign both of them (physically sign the DVD, like any paper document), your client signs both, and each one of you keeps one copy.
Obviously, if suddenly a document used by the contractor is different from your own, you just have to fetch both DVDs and verify which one is true. You can even have a third DVD kept by a third party, as a backup.
Obviously also, as soon as your contractor knows there is a DVD out there with the original files physically signed by him, he will think twice before making any (even accidental) change.

This method seems very reasonable to me, and the contractor can not complain you are being paranoid. After all, this is exactly what allays has been done every time you handed a drawing over. You signed, the contractor signed it, and this made the drawing official.

Hope this helped.
MK
Anonymous
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Thanks Krippahl,

always, the simple solution is the best one. we thought about signing the plans, and I think this is what we shall do .

I'll still try to find out an easy way, or a convenient way to protect our work. When I hava one, I'll send a mass message...
Anonymous
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Paul wrote:
Thanks Krippahl,

always, the simple solution is the best one. we thought about signing the plans, and I think this is what we shall do .
Glad I could help, Paul